Donald Trump and Theo Von on This Past Weekend | August 20, 2024

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Summary by ChatGPT- Border Security: Trump stresses the need for strong border security, citing his administration's successes.- Kamala Harris Critique: Trump criticizes Harris as ineffective in her role managing border issues.- Re-arrest Issues: Theo Von notes that Border Patrol agents see repeat arrests due to lack of prosecution.- Healthcare Critique: Both discuss the healthcare system's lack of transparency and accountability.- Patient Empowerment: Trump calls for giving more power to patients and reforming the exploitative healthcare system.

[00:00:00]  Theo Von 
 I have some tour days to tell you about. I'll be in Las Vegas, Nevada over Labor Day weekend. If you're going to be there, then I will, too. I'll be in Bend, Oregon Spokane, Washington Portland, Oregon Vancouver in the Canada, Oklahoma City, North Little Rock, Springfield, Missouri Kansas City, Missouri Sioux Falls, La Crosse, Green Bay Moline, Lafayette, Louisiana, and Beaumont, Texas. 

[00:00:32]   
 All tickets through theovon.com tour. And thank you so much for your support. I can't thank you enough. You know, my 9th grade civics teacher, Barbara Olinger, would be tickled to know that one of her students is getting to sit down with a president today. So I just want to speak her name. She taught me to care about our country, and I still do. 

[00:01:03]   
 Today's guest is the 45th president of the United States of America, and he's currently running for president on the republican ticket. He's been an entrepreneur, a businessman, a television personality. We sat down at his club in Bedminster, New Jersey, and we want to thank the crew there for helping us make the production happen. 

[00:01:28]   
 He's one of the most famous people on earth, and I'm grateful for this chance to learn more about the man behind the headlines. Today's guest is Donald Trump. Shine that light on me. 

[00:01:44]  Donald Trump 
 I'll sit. 

[00:01:45]  Theo Von 
 And tell you my story. 

[00:01:49]  Donald Trump 
 Shine on. 

[00:01:51]  Theo Von 
 Me and I will find a. 

[00:02:07]  Donald Trump 
 But your thing is going really great. My son's a big fan of yours. Baron? 

[00:02:10]  Theo Von 
 Really? Baron is? 

[00:02:11]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:02:11]  Theo Von 
 Oh, nice. He just graduated high school, right? 

[00:02:13]  Donald Trump 
 That's right. He just said he knows you very well. He said, dad, he's big. 

[00:02:17]  Theo Von 
 Wow. 

[00:02:18]  Donald Trump 
 Big one. 

[00:02:19]  Theo Von 
 That's cool. 

[00:02:20]  Donald Trump 
 Well, that's where it is nowadays, right? 

[00:02:22]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know? Yeah. I can't believe that we're able to get platforms. I started in my kitchen and then. Yeah. Just evolved out of there. 

[00:02:31]  Donald Trump 
 That's fantastic. 

[00:02:32]  Theo Von 
 I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. What, um, does. 

[00:02:34]  Donald Trump 
 Baron, please, do you want to start? You go ahead. 

[00:02:36]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, we're good. Are we rolling? 

[00:02:37]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, sure. 

[00:02:38]  Theo Von 
 We're good. Yeah. Does Baron play sports or anything? 

[00:02:42]  Donald Trump 
 He does. He plays golf and different sports. Soccer. Loves soccer. Very good at soccer. He's a good athlete, Baron. 

[00:02:51]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. Is he going to go? Has he already picked to college or. 

[00:02:54]  Donald Trump 
 No, he has, and he's getting set to go in the fall. Good college. A very good one. And he was always a very good student. He's smart. Smart guy. 

[00:03:04]  Theo Von 
 Which one of. Yeah, like, which one of your kids. Like, yeah. What's something you admire about each one of your sons? 

[00:03:10]  Donald Trump 
 Well, Don is a hunter. He's a great, great hunter and knows everything about that world and guns and all. He was the first one that said, dad, boyden, you got lucky, because I didn't realize that 130 yards is actually very close in that parlance. And he said, you got lucky. He knew immediately when he saw that, he said, it's incredible because that's considered. 

[00:03:37]  Theo Von 
 A pretty close distance from how far the shooter was. 

[00:03:39]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:03:40]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:03:40]  Donald Trump 
 The guy wasn't a bad shooter, supposedly. You know, he was a very disturbed guy, but he wasn't a bad shooter. Eric, likewise, he loves the business. He loves real estate, also very much of a hunter and understands a lot of things about that. They were sort of as young guys, they were with their grandfather, and he would take them hunting in Czechoslovakia, and somehow they developed very well. 

[00:04:06]  Theo Von 
 Czechoslovakia. 

[00:04:07]  Donald Trump 
 Can you imagine? 

[00:04:08]  Theo Von 
 It's a lot of letters, even. 

[00:04:09]  Donald Trump 
 That's a long time. That's a name you don't hear too much anymore. But it was, I'd need a scope. 

[00:04:14]  Theo Von 
 Just to get through the spelling of that word. 

[00:04:16]  Donald Trump 
 A lot of people. 

[00:04:16]  Theo Von 
 A lot of people. 

[00:04:18]  Donald Trump 
 But. So he'd go, they'd spend time in Europe, and they'd do that. That's where he learned a lot about both of them. Really good. 

[00:04:26]  Theo Von 
 With your dad. 

[00:04:26]  Donald Trump 
 They would go, no grandfather. Actually, they had a grandfather who was a wonderful outdoorsman and athlete, and during the summer, he'd take them out into the woods, and they'd go hunting and lots of things. And they loved it. They got to love it. And that's Don and that's Eriche. 

[00:04:45]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, they're funny. 

[00:04:46]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:04:47]  Theo Von 
 They have a good sense of humor, too. Like, whenever I see them at UFC, it's like, yeah, I just, like, the first time I was nervous, I think. And then after that, when I've seen them, it's like, it's fun to kind of cut up with a little bit. 

[00:04:58]  Donald Trump 
 Well, they're good. They're good guys, and they really, they get along great with the rest of the family. We all get along great. We have a good family, and. But I love you. I see you talk about a great guy. How about Dana White? 

[00:05:11]  Theo Von 
 Good job. 

[00:05:12]  Donald Trump 
 He does, right? 

[00:05:12]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. I want to thank Dana, too, for helping get us set up together. Yeah. I like Danny. He doesn't waste words. He doesn't waste time. He likes to, I think, be efficient, and he likes, he has seems like a strong sense of integrity for himself. 

[00:05:31]  Donald Trump 
 Nobody like him, actually. It's, you know, there's an expression that everybody is replaceable. Not Dana. Nobody could do what he does. And he's made that sport into a big monster sport, and it's interesting and we go there and we enjoy it. Go with him. Sometimes we do walk ons with Dana and place sort of likes it. 

[00:05:50]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah, I've been there. 

[00:05:51]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:05:52]  Theo Von 
 But I was in behind you in one, one video. I'm sure the dogs here will pull it up, but, yeah, those are some of my favorite. Those are some of my favorite things ever. It became, UFC became my favorite sport during the pandemic because Dana was brave enough to stay open. You know, he was it. 

[00:06:08]  Donald Trump 
 He was the whole ballgame. He was the only sport, and he opened up in arenas with nothing other than very good fighters. 

[00:06:16]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:06:16]  Donald Trump 
 And they would be fighting. He had some of the best fights during the pandemic. 

[00:06:20]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. But he was exceptional. There it is right there. See, look, there you are. And I'm right behind you there clapping with that hat. 

[00:06:27]  Donald Trump 
 Great. That's right. The white guy in the hat is right. That's great. 

[00:06:30]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of us there, but I was one of them for sure. Yeah. See, that's me right there. 

[00:06:34]  Donald Trump 
 Good sport, isn't it, huh? 

[00:06:35]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. I'm a Dustin Poirier fan, so. 

[00:06:37]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, he's great. He was. Boy, I tell you, he's a warrior. That last fight he had, whether you like it or not, he is a warrior. 

[00:06:44]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. Yeah. It felt like he didn't get the. He didn't get the victory, but it didn't feel like he lost. 

[00:06:48]  Donald Trump 
 No, he didn't lose that fight. He really, the man he was fighting was tough. He was tough and didn't expect that same fight, but he oftentimes will. He makes people suffer. There's no question about it. No, he's all. He's all. He's a pro. He's a professional. 

[00:07:05]  Theo Von 
 He's all heart. He's from Louisiana. That's why I'm. 

[00:07:07]  Donald Trump 
 As that fight went along, he just got stronger and stronger and he was getting pounded, and he was going to be choked out about four different times, and he just wouldn't let it happen. No. You say hello to him. He's good. 

[00:07:18]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I'll make sure to. 

[00:07:20]  Donald Trump 
 He's a really great fighter there. 

[00:07:21]  Theo Von 
 And he cooks Thanksgiving dinner every year. 

[00:07:23]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, wow. Maybe I'll have to go sometime. 

[00:07:25]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:07:26]  Donald Trump 
 I mean, he must do good food. 

[00:07:27]  Theo Von 
 He does. Yeah, he does some good stuff over there. Yeah. What was the first, do you remember, like, the first fight that you ever went to, whether it was UFC or boxing or anything? 

[00:07:35]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, I do. It was Joe Fraziere, Muhammad Ali in Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think it was the first fight I went to. I always liked the boxing. 

[00:07:35]   
 Yeah, I do. It was Joe Fraziere, Muhammad Ali in Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think it was the first fight I went to. I always liked the boxing. 

[00:07:49]  Theo Von 
 How old were you? Remember? 

[00:07:49]   
 How old were you? Remember? 

[00:07:50]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago. But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated. Mohammed became a friend of mine. So did Joe Jolton. Joe, he was. They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I think they had, like, many heart attacks that night. 

[00:07:50]   
 Oh, boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago. But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated. Mohammed became a friend of mine. So did Joe Jolton. Joe, he was. They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I think they had, like, many heart attacks that night. 

[00:08:10]   
 Literally. Heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC, and there was no competition really. It was it. And so you had two guys. Remember that Mohammed wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. 

[00:08:10]   
 Literally. Heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC, and there was no competition really. It was it. And so you had two guys. Remember that Mohammed wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. 

[00:08:33]   
 He was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very, very. 

[00:08:33]   
 He was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very, very. 

[00:08:36]  Theo Von 
 And they finally made it happen. They finally made it happen. 

[00:08:36]   
 And they finally made it happen. They finally made it happen. 

[00:08:37]  Donald Trump 
 They made it happen. So they had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting. 

[00:08:37]   
 They made it happen. So they had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting. 

[00:08:40]  Theo Von 
 And who took you to the fight, you remember? 

[00:08:40]   
 And who took you to the fight, you remember? 

[00:08:42]  Donald Trump 
 I went with my father and my brother, Robert, and it was just. I don't know, I must have been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments. But literally, there were, like, many heart attacks in the arena. 

[00:08:42]   
 I went with my father and my brother, Robert, and it was just. I don't know, I must have been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments. But literally, there were, like, many heart attacks in the arena. 

[00:08:59]  Theo Von 
 If people having too much fun or what do you think is drugs? 

[00:08:59]   
 If people having too much fun or what do you think is drugs? 

[00:09:02]  Donald Trump 
 Heart attacks. Because it was such a crazy event. It was so. The people were just. I know a friend of mine, the father, he went. He had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out early, and I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting. 

[00:09:02]   
 Heart attacks. Because it was such a crazy event. It was so. The people were just. I know a friend of mine, the father, he went. He had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out early, and I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting. 

[00:09:19]   
 But I don't think there's ever been. I don't know. I guess that has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight. But it was a very exciting time. 

[00:09:19]   
 But I don't think there's ever been. I don't know. I guess that has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight. But it was a very exciting time. 

[00:09:29]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. And just people being, I guess. Yeah. Sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think? Like, you think it was that people were just so excited. 

[00:09:29]   
 Yeah. And just people being, I guess. Yeah. Sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think? Like, you think it was that people were just so excited. 

[00:09:42]  Donald Trump 
 They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had. I guess they do it. Maybe super bowls or something. 

[00:09:42]   
 They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had. I guess they do it. Maybe super bowls or something. 

[00:09:48]  Theo Von 
 Oh, people have heart attacks. Eating a thick soup, you know, so it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like, that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out of. 

[00:09:48]   
 Oh, people have heart attacks. Eating a thick soup, you know, so it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like, that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out of. 

[00:09:57]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, I'm sure it happens. Just that one. But we had an exciting event the other night with Elon Elon Musk and me, I listened. We had a pretty big audience for that one, I can tell you. 

[00:09:57]   
 Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, I'm sure it happens. Just that one. But we had an exciting event the other night with Elon Elon Musk and me, I listened. We had a pretty big audience for that one, I can tell you. 

[00:10:10]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I listened for probably about, like, 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was. I think the tough part was just like the. Just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know? 

[00:10:10]   
 Yeah, I listened for probably about, like, 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was. I think the tough part was just like the. Just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know? 

[00:10:20]  Donald Trump 
 But I still heard the audio was great. And actually, they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape. 

[00:10:20]   
 But I still heard the audio was great. And actually, they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape. 

[00:10:25]  Theo Von 
 Oh, nice. 

[00:10:25]   
 Oh, nice. 

[00:10:26]  Donald Trump 
 They had so many millions and millions of people watching, like, record numbers of people, and I'm trying to figure out, we're on a cell phone, or I was, and, you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other. But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. 

[00:10:26]   
 They had so many millions and millions of people watching, like, record numbers of people, and I'm trying to figure out, we're on a cell phone, or I was, and, you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other. But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. 

[00:10:43]   
 I don't know. I don't do that thing, you know, that was done. And we had a great conversation. It was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it. But I sounded. I think I sounded. Somebody said your voice was distorted or something. 

[00:10:43]   
 I don't know. I don't do that thing, you know, that was done. And we had a great conversation. It was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it. But I sounded. I think I sounded. Somebody said your voice was distorted or something. 

[00:11:01]   
 And, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio. But I would have. I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there, but when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then. 

[00:11:01]   
 And, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio. But I would have. I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there, but when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then. 

[00:11:21]   
 Cause I think his voice was more clear than. 

[00:11:21]   
 Cause I think his voice was more clear than. 

[00:11:24]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, maybe because he was the one who was, like, initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about how all that works, but, yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I. Yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like, the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion, basically. 

[00:11:24]   
 Yeah, maybe because he was the one who was, like, initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about how all that works, but, yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I. Yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like, the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion, basically. 

[00:11:43]   
 Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know, I'm saying he has his own. Like, he has his own channel and. 

[00:11:43]   
 Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know, I'm saying he has his own. Like, he has his own channel and. 

[00:11:49]  Donald Trump 
 He does what he wants to do, and he's a fantastic guy, and he's a brilliant person, and the country should be very proud of him, actually. I have truth, which has been very successful. 

[00:11:49]   
 He does what he wants to do, and he's a fantastic guy, and he's a brilliant person, and the country should be very proud of him, actually. I have truth, which has been very successful. 

[00:12:00]  Theo Von 
 Truth social. 

[00:12:00]   
 Truth social. 

[00:12:00]  Donald Trump 
 You mean truth social? Yeah. And that's been very successful in getting my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram. I was on all of it, and I was on Facebook. And when you added it up, I had. I was told by Zuckerberg and others it was like record setting type of numbers. 

[00:12:00]   
 You mean truth social? Yeah. And that's been very successful in getting my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram. I was on all of it, and I was on Facebook. And when you added it up, I had. I was told by Zuckerberg and others it was like record setting type of numbers. 

[00:12:24]   
 And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled. 

[00:12:24]   
 And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled. 

[00:12:28]  Theo Von 
 There's such a collusion there, right? 

[00:12:28]   
 There's such a collusion there, right? 

[00:12:29]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, it was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. 

[00:12:29]   
 Yeah, it was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. 

[00:12:42]   
 You, you remember that? And although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days, you'd put out a statement, and I did. And it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up. And I opened truth, and truth has become terrific, actually, for me. I really want, just as a platform, I mean, it's more important than anything else. 

[00:12:42]   
 You, you remember that? And although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days, you'd put out a statement, and I did. And it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up. And I opened truth, and truth has become terrific, actually, for me. I really want, just as a platform, I mean, it's more important than anything else. 

[00:13:00]   
 And at least you have your voice. 

[00:13:00]   
 And at least you have your voice. 

[00:13:01]  Theo Von 
 Then you can say what you want to say. 

[00:13:01]   
 Then you can say what you want to say. 

[00:13:03]  Donald Trump 
 My voice back. Yeah. I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now I haven't been too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it. And. But I was much higher than that when I was like, all these older people. 

[00:13:03]   
 My voice back. Yeah. I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now I haven't been too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it. And. But I was much higher than that when I was like, all these older people. 

[00:13:18]  Theo Von 
 I don't even know how many people there are. 

[00:13:18]   
 I don't even know how many people there are. 

[00:13:20]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, it's, I mean, it's been. But I love the job he's done. And he's brought a certain voice back into, into play. 

[00:13:20]   
 Yeah, it's, I mean, it's been. But I love the job he's done. And he's brought a certain voice back into, into play. 

[00:13:27]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:13:27]   
 Yeah. 

[00:13:27]  Donald Trump 
 The previous people were terrible. Terrible. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged. They'd put up a red flag. Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged. 

[00:13:27]   
 The previous people were terrible. Terrible. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged. They'd put up a red flag. Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged. 

[00:13:35]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, they just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever. 

[00:13:35]   
 Yeah, they just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever. 

[00:13:41]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:13:41]   
 Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:13:41]  Theo Von 
 That's kind of the vibe I got when you. Yeah, I see, yeah. Cause I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with, like, David spade sometimes as a close friend of mine and, you know, see you coming with Kid Rock and. 

[00:13:41]   
 That's kind of the vibe I got when you. Yeah, I see, yeah. Cause I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with, like, David spade sometimes as a close friend of mine and, you know, see you coming with Kid Rock and. 

[00:13:57]   
 Yeah, and you don't drink at the fight. 

[00:13:57]   
 Yeah, and you don't drink at the fight. 

[00:13:59]  Donald Trump 
 No, kid Rock is. He's terrific. He came to the convention. He knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular. Very popular. 

[00:13:59]   
 No, kid Rock is. He's terrific. He came to the convention. He knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular. Very popular. 

[00:14:10]  Theo Von 
 Oh, he's so. He's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent, too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's a legend. 

[00:14:10]   
 Oh, he's so. He's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent, too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's a legend. 

[00:14:17]  Donald Trump 
 He is a legend. I guess in a true sense. 

[00:14:17]   
 He is a legend. I guess in a true sense. 

[00:14:20]  Theo Von 
 Oh, 100%. People love him, dude, look at him. I went to his show not long ago somewhere, and people. I think some guy had a heart attack there, too, but it was, like, funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes. 

[00:14:20]   
 Oh, 100%. People love him, dude, look at him. I went to his show not long ago somewhere, and people. I think some guy had a heart attack there, too, but it was, like, funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes. 

[00:14:34]  Donald Trump 
 He draws big crowds. Actually. It's amazing. I saw one. He was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff, but he's really. Forget about that. I call him Bob. His name. Bob, right. It's Bob. Kid rock, but it's Bob. But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? 

[00:14:34]   
 He draws big crowds. Actually. It's amazing. I saw one. He was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff, but he's really. Forget about that. I call him Bob. His name. Bob, right. It's Bob. Kid rock, but it's Bob. But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? 

[00:14:54]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. I mean, I live in natural, right. When I got in the town, he. Yeah, he hit me up one night and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party this week, and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know, and it was nice of him. And since then, we've done a lot of fun stuff together. 

[00:14:54]   
 Oh, yeah. I mean, I live in natural, right. When I got in the town, he. Yeah, he hit me up one night and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party this week, and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know, and it was nice of him. And since then, we've done a lot of fun stuff together. 

[00:15:07]   
 His brother's missing a leg. He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie the lamp? Like, from, like, a Christmas story or whatever? 

[00:15:07]   
 His brother's missing a leg. He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie the lamp? Like, from, like, a Christmas story or whatever? 

[00:15:14]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but he's fantastic. The family. The father I knew very well, he just passed away, and it was tough for him. Well, you knew his dad for the brother. I did, and he was. He was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob, and I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. 

[00:15:14]   
 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but he's fantastic. The family. The father I knew very well, he just passed away, and it was tough for him. Well, you knew his dad for the brother. I did, and he was. He was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob, and I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. 

[00:15:31]   
 The whole family. 

[00:15:31]   
 The whole family. 

[00:15:32]  Theo Von 
 No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there. 

[00:15:32]   
 No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there. 

[00:15:37]  Donald Trump 
 That's right. And you know what? He plays golf, and he plays well. He. He hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We were in the 17th hole. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really? Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. 

[00:15:37]   
 That's right. And you know what? He plays golf, and he plays well. He. He hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We were in the 17th hole. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really? Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. 

[00:15:55]   
 And he got up. It was very hard for him to put the. I mean, it was really a tough situation because he has to get the ball in the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean, he goes to the ground, and he did it. 

[00:15:55]   
 And he got up. It was very hard for him to put the. I mean, it was really a tough situation because he has to get the ball in the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean, he goes to the ground, and he did it. 

[00:16:08]   
 Gets up. He swung, and I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience, probably, but that's, like, a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again. 

[00:16:08]   
 Gets up. He swung, and I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience, probably, but that's, like, a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again. 

[00:16:25]   
 Cause you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's great. 

[00:16:25]   
 Cause you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's great. 

[00:16:31]  Theo Von 
 And Bob really do it again, too. 

[00:16:31]   
 And Bob really do it again, too. 

[00:16:33]  Donald Trump 
 He's a repeat. 

[00:16:33]   
 He's a repeat. 

[00:16:34]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, they're great. 

[00:16:34]   
 Yeah, they're great. 

[00:16:34]  Donald Trump 
 They really have an amazing family. 

[00:16:34]   
 They really have an amazing family. 

[00:16:36]  Theo Von 
 Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him, and then like, a few days later, he'll send a nice note, or he'll send like a photo, like a frame photo, and just say, hey, man, I had a nice time. 

[00:16:36]   
 Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him, and then like, a few days later, he'll send a nice note, or he'll send like a photo, like a frame photo, and just say, hey, man, I had a nice time. 

[00:16:49]   
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke. Right? 

[00:16:49]   
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke. Right? 

[00:16:54]  Donald Trump 
 I don't drink or smoke. 

[00:16:54]   
 I don't drink or smoke. 

[00:16:55]  Theo Von 
 You never have? 

[00:16:55]   
 You never have? 

[00:16:56]  Donald Trump 
 No, I never have. I had a great brother who taught me a lesson, don't drink. Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy. 

[00:16:56]   
 No, I never have. I had a great brother who taught me a lesson, don't drink. Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy. 

[00:17:10]  Theo Von 
 Is he older? He was older. 

[00:17:10]   
 Is he older? He was older. 

[00:17:11]  Donald Trump 
 Quite a bit older, yeah. He would. He had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But, you know, I tell people, no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes. I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say, no drugs, no drinking, no smoke. And it was tough. Well, he'd always tell me, he'd say never. 

[00:17:11]   
 Quite a bit older, yeah. He would. He had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But, you know, I tell people, no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes. I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say, no drugs, no drinking, no smoke. And it was tough. Well, he'd always tell me, he'd say never. 

[00:17:31]   
 So he was really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway. 

[00:17:31]   
 So he was really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway. 

[00:17:40]  Theo Von 
 Did you admire him? 

[00:17:40]   
 Did you admire him? 

[00:17:41]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, I admired a lot. So much about him. He had so much going. Had to look unbelievable personality. Like an incredible personality. 

[00:17:41]   
 Yeah, I admired a lot. So much about him. He had so much going. Had to look unbelievable personality. Like an incredible personality. 

[00:17:51]  Theo Von 
 What was his name? Donald. 

[00:17:51]   
 What was his name? Donald. 

[00:17:52]  Donald Trump 
 His name was Fred. Fred Trump. And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's. And, you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I don't know if you've ever heard that. 

[00:17:52]   
 His name was Fred. Fred Trump. And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's. And, you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I don't know if you've ever heard that. 

[00:18:06]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I'm in recovery, actually. I've been in. I've been in recovery, so, like, most of the last ten years, from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol, drugs. 

[00:18:06]   
 Yeah, I'm in recovery, actually. I've been in. I've been in recovery, so, like, most of the last ten years, from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol, drugs. 

[00:18:14]  Donald Trump 
 So which is worse? 

[00:18:14]   
 So which is worse? 

[00:18:16]  Theo Von 
 For me, drugs is the problem, but if I have a drink, then I. It's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it. 

[00:18:16]   
 For me, drugs is the problem, but if I have a drink, then I. It's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it. 

[00:18:22]  Donald Trump 
 It sets off a chain. 

[00:18:22]   
 It sets off a chain. 

[00:18:23]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:18:23]   
 Yeah. 

[00:18:23]  Donald Trump 
 But is. Which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs, if that makes sense. I don't know. 

[00:18:23]   
 But is. Which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs, if that makes sense. I don't know. 

[00:18:30]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. I mean, I can only imagine. Cause it's probably more readily available. 

[00:18:30]   
 Oh, yeah. I mean, I can only imagine. Cause it's probably more readily available. 

[00:18:33]  Donald Trump 
 More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all. 

[00:18:33]   
 More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all. 

[00:18:37]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. Rarely do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating, like, you know, xanaxes or something, you know, for appetizers. Usually people are having, like, a mint, you know, a mint julep or something a little fancy or Negroni I just learned about. 

[00:18:37]   
 Yeah. Rarely do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating, like, you know, xanaxes or something, you know, for appetizers. Usually people are having, like, a mint, you know, a mint julep or something a little fancy or Negroni I just learned about. 

[00:18:48]  Donald Trump 
 Right. 

[00:18:48]   
 Right. 

[00:18:49]  Theo Von 
 But, yeah. 

[00:18:49]   
 But, yeah. 

[00:18:50]  Donald Trump 
 So you have a problem with that, then? 

[00:18:50]   
 So you have a problem with that, then? 

[00:18:52]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:18:52]   
 Yeah. 

[00:18:52]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, wow. 

[00:18:52]   
 Oh, wow. 

[00:18:53]  Theo Von 
 It's been in my family. My family. It's like, yeah. 

[00:18:53]   
 It's been in my family. My family. It's like, yeah. 

[00:18:57]  Donald Trump 
 Can you stay away from it? 

[00:18:57]   
 Can you stay away from it? 

[00:18:59]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I've done a good job. I mean, I. 

[00:18:59]   
 Yeah, I've done a good job. I mean, I. 

[00:19:00]  Donald Trump 
 How long have you been off? 

[00:19:00]   
 How long have you been off? 

[00:19:01]  Theo Von 
 I go to recovery meetings. I've been off, most recently, two. A little over two years. 

[00:19:01]   
 I go to recovery meetings. I've been off, most recently, two. A little over two years. 

[00:19:06]  Donald Trump 
 Do you ever go back on? 

[00:19:06]   
 Do you ever go back on? 

[00:19:07]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I've had stints where I go back on. And, um. 

[00:19:07]   
 Yeah, I've had stints where I go back on. And, um. 

[00:19:10]  Donald Trump 
 And. And you don't control it? 

[00:19:10]   
 And. And you don't control it? 

[00:19:11]  Theo Von 
 Uh, it's tough. It gets. It goes down. So you think it's gonna be. 

[00:19:11]   
 Uh, it's tough. It gets. It goes down. So you think it's gonna be. 

[00:19:15]  Donald Trump 
 You think you're controlling. Oh. 

[00:19:15]   
 You think you're controlling. Oh. 

[00:19:17]  Theo Von 
 And then you're. Damn. Yeah. You're doing go kart and racing with hookers and stuff. 

[00:19:17]   
 And then you're. Damn. Yeah. You're doing go kart and racing with hookers and stuff. 

[00:19:21]  Donald Trump 
 It gets bad not to do it. 

[00:19:21]   
 It gets bad not to do it. 

[00:19:22]  Theo Von 
 Right, right. So then in the end, you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see, like, with your brother? Did you. Could you see it or anything? 

[00:19:22]   
 Right, right. So then in the end, you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see, like, with your brother? Did you. Could you see it or anything? 

[00:19:29]  Donald Trump 
 Like, man, I was amazed because he had so much going. He had everything going. I think he probably had happened in college, at a fraternity, maybe, or, I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened, and all of a sudden, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately. And then the family would see it and start to notice it. 

[00:19:29]   
 Like, man, I was amazed because he had so much going. He had everything going. I think he probably had happened in college, at a fraternity, maybe, or, I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened, and all of a sudden, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately. And then the family would see it and start to notice it. 

[00:19:56]   
 It didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of. I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out, and it had bad moments, and. But his body was unbelievably strong that it could. That it could withstand this. 

[00:19:56]   
 It didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of. I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out, and it had bad moments, and. But his body was unbelievably strong that it could. That it could withstand this. 

[00:20:14]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. It's a body. Your body's just so resilient. Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him? 

[00:20:14]   
 Yeah. It's a body. Your body's just so resilient. Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him? 

[00:20:20]  Donald Trump 
 I do, and I'm sorry to ask you about it. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation. 

[00:20:20]   
 I do, and I'm sorry to ask you about it. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation. 

[00:20:32]  Theo Von 
 We talked about that stuff a lot on our. On our podcast. 

[00:20:32]   
 We talked about that stuff a lot on our. On our podcast. 

[00:20:34]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:20:34]   
 Yeah. 

[00:20:35]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. A lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's like a. It's pretty kind of normal conversation. But, you know, the interesting thing is. 

[00:20:35]   
 Yeah. A lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's like a. It's pretty kind of normal conversation. But, you know, the interesting thing is. 

[00:20:49]  Donald Trump 
 And I tell people, so I never had a cigarette, and I've never had a glass of alcohol, and my brother was incredible. He would tell me because he knew he had a problem, and he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking, because he did smoke a lot, which is, you know, not very healthy. 

[00:20:49]   
 And I tell people, so I never had a cigarette, and I've never had a glass of alcohol, and my brother was incredible. He would tell me because he knew he had a problem, and he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking, because he did smoke a lot, which is, you know, not very healthy. 

[00:21:07]   
 But he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink, because he knew he had this. 

[00:21:07]   
 But he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink, because he knew he had this. 

[00:21:13]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:21:13]   
 Yeah. 

[00:21:14]  Donald Trump 
 Addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could conceivably be the type of personality that would have, like, you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. 

[00:21:14]   
 Addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could conceivably be the type of personality that would have, like, you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. 

[00:21:37]   
 I mean, I don't even think about. 

[00:21:37]   
 I mean, I don't even think about. 

[00:21:39]  Theo Von 
 Alcohol, or it's not a part of your world. 

[00:21:39]   
 Alcohol, or it's not a part of your world. 

[00:21:42]  Donald Trump 
 I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. I had a friend who went to the wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy. 

[00:21:42]   
 I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. I had a friend who went to the wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy. 

[00:21:57]  Theo Von 
 Where is it, wharton school. 

[00:21:57]   
 Where is it, wharton school. 

[00:21:58]  Donald Trump 
 That's in philadelphia. That's at penn. 

[00:21:58]   
 That's in philadelphia. That's at penn. 

[00:22:01]  Theo Von 
 Rocky. 

[00:22:01]   
 Rocky. 

[00:22:02]  Donald Trump 
 Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And I. Part of the University of pennsylvania, the business school. 

[00:22:02]   
 Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And I. Part of the University of pennsylvania, the business school. 

[00:22:09]  Theo Von 
 Oh, it's nice down there. 

[00:22:09]   
 Oh, it's nice down there. 

[00:22:11]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:22:11]   
 Yeah. 

[00:22:11]  Theo Von 
 My friend's brother went there or something. 

[00:22:11]   
 My friend's brother went there or something. 

[00:22:13]  Donald Trump 
 Well, we ate near there, and he was smart because it's a great school. But this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch, hated it, couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted. He felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. 

[00:22:13]   
 Well, we ate near there, and he was smart because it's a great school. But this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch, hated it, couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted. He felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. 

[00:22:32]   
 He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic. 

[00:22:32]   
 He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic. 

[00:22:44]  Theo Von 
 Oh, I thought he meant, like, the best. 

[00:22:44]   
 Oh, I thought he meant, like, the best. 

[00:22:46]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, but he hated the taste of scotch, and he still couldn't live without it, literally. 

[00:22:46]   
 Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, but he hated the taste of scotch, and he still couldn't live without it, literally. 

[00:22:53]  Theo Von 
 Well, I think I notice a lot of, like, in the recovery rooms and stuff. It's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them, and so they could be, they take on, like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you spent with your brother? 

[00:22:53]   
 Well, I think I notice a lot of, like, in the recovery rooms and stuff. It's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them, and so they could be, they take on, like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you spent with your brother? 

[00:23:07]  Donald Trump 
 I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him, or we lost him then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, where you thought you lost him, and then he got better, and it was amazing. I mean, he was certainly very strong in that sense of. 

[00:23:07]   
 I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him, or we lost him then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, where you thought you lost him, and then he got better, and it was amazing. I mean, he was certainly very strong in that sense of. 

[00:23:30]   
 And I just tell people, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink, and you're not gonna have a problem. Like, even you, if you didn't drink, you would never. But you probably, maybe wouldn't be successful like you are, you know, it's part of your story. Right. 

[00:23:30]   
 And I just tell people, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink, and you're not gonna have a problem. Like, even you, if you didn't drink, you would never. But you probably, maybe wouldn't be successful like you are, you know, it's part of your story. Right. 

[00:23:44]  Theo Von 
 It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen, probably. I think it's just too risky. 

[00:23:44]   
 It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen, probably. I think it's just too risky. 

[00:23:50]  Donald Trump 
 It is risky. 

[00:23:50]   
 It is risky. 

[00:23:51]  Theo Von 
 What's something that you miss about him? Or like that? Yeah, like, what's something that you miss about him, Freddy? 

[00:23:51]   
 What's something that you miss about him? Or like that? Yeah, like, what's something that you miss about him, Freddy? 

[00:23:55]  Donald Trump 
 Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem, and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem, and I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah, if I had that problem. And I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank. 

[00:23:55]   
 Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem, and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem, and I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah, if I had that problem. And I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank. 

[00:24:14]   
 But if you don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean, I don't miss. When I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that at all. 

[00:24:14]   
 But if you don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean, I don't miss. When I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that at all. 

[00:24:24]  Theo Von 
 It's weird. It's so Nate. It's very native american, isn't it? 

[00:24:24]   
 It's weird. It's so Nate. It's very native american, isn't it? 

[00:24:27]  Donald Trump 
 Crazy. 

[00:24:27]   
 Crazy. 

[00:24:27]  Theo Von 
 Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of, like. They take the speed bumps for us, like, as younger brothers, so that we don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Does that. You know what I'm talking about? My brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. 

[00:24:27]   
 Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of, like. They take the speed bumps for us, like, as younger brothers, so that we don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Does that. You know what I'm talking about? My brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. 

[00:24:41]   
 And then I get to see him and learn. 

[00:24:41]   
 And then I get to see him and learn. 

[00:24:42]  Donald Trump 
 Is he okay now? 

[00:24:42]   
 Is he okay now? 

[00:24:43]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, he's doing great now. Yeah, he's doing great now. But it's just. It's like. Yeah, that's one of the blessings, I think, of having an older brother. 

[00:24:43]   
 Yeah, he's doing great now. Yeah, he's doing great now. But it's just. It's like. Yeah, that's one of the blessings, I think, of having an older brother. 

[00:24:50]  Donald Trump 
 Well, you can learn through history, too. Even if it's not a brother. It's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic, or even just by reading about people, you can learn. 

[00:24:50]   
 Well, you can learn through history, too. Even if it's not a brother. It's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic, or even just by reading about people, you can learn. 

[00:25:00]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:25:00]   
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:25:00]  Donald Trump 
 It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother, and I learned not to drink, and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes I probably would have drank, I think, you know, there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me, you. 

[00:25:00]   
 It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother, and I learned not to drink, and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes I probably would have drank, I think, you know, there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me, you. 

[00:25:17]  Theo Von 
 Know, just, that was it. 

[00:25:17]   
 Know, just, that was it. 

[00:25:18]  Donald Trump 
 Don't do it. Yeah. 

[00:25:18]   
 Don't do it. Yeah. 

[00:25:19]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. That was kind of a blessing then, huh? 

[00:25:19]   
 Yeah. That was kind of a blessing then, huh? 

[00:25:21]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:25:21]   
 Yeah. 

[00:25:22]  Theo Von 
 And where did you, did they, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him? 

[00:25:22]   
 And where did you, did they, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him? 

[00:25:29]  Donald Trump 
 He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot. 

[00:25:29]   
 He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot. 

[00:25:33]  Theo Von 
 Oh, sweet. 

[00:25:33]   
 Oh, sweet. 

[00:25:33]  Donald Trump 
 And he loved it. 

[00:25:33]   
 And he loved it. 

[00:25:34]  Theo Von 
 Did you ever fly with him? 

[00:25:34]   
 Did you ever fly with him? 

[00:25:35]  Donald Trump 
 I did. I flew with him. He was a great pilot and very talented. Other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly, and he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol, he had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up. 

[00:25:35]   
 I did. I flew with him. He was a great pilot and very talented. Other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly, and he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol, he had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up. 

[00:25:55]  Theo Von 
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[00:25:55]   
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[00:26:22]   
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[00:26:22]   
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[00:27:38]   
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[00:27:38]   
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[00:27:58]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, no, they lose everything and many, many people. And yep, in those days, it wasn't drugs, it wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs. I don't even know whether even a factor. They happened pretty long time ago, but I think in those days, I don't think were drugs a factor. 

[00:27:58]   
 Yeah, no, they lose everything and many, many people. And yep, in those days, it wasn't drugs, it wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs. I don't even know whether even a factor. They happened pretty long time ago, but I think in those days, I don't think were drugs a factor. 

[00:28:15]   
 You go back 25 years ago. 

[00:28:15]   
 You go back 25 years ago. 

[00:28:17]  Theo Von 
 Not like it is now. 

[00:28:17]   
 Not like it is now. 

[00:28:18]  Donald Trump 
 Well, certainly not like now. And. 

[00:28:18]   
 Well, certainly not like now. And. 

[00:28:19]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. And that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like, um, alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even, like you're saying, like, in the past 2030 years in our country. Right. And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that, like, almost 600,000 people died. 

[00:28:19]   
 Yeah. And that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like, um, alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even, like you're saying, like, in the past 2030 years in our country. Right. And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that, like, almost 600,000 people died. 

[00:28:37]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:28:37]   
 Yeah. 

[00:28:38]  Theo Von 
 And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust. All, you know, just people that lost a brother didn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. 

[00:28:38]   
 And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust. All, you know, just people that lost a brother didn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. 

[00:28:57]   
 You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist. But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get into office? 

[00:28:57]   
 You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist. But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get into office? 

[00:29:15]  Donald Trump 
 So. Well, we did a great job. We had. 

[00:29:15]   
 So. Well, we did a great job. We had. 

[00:29:17]  Theo Von 
 Does that make sense or not? 

[00:29:17]   
 Does that make sense or not? 

[00:29:18]  Donald Trump 
 It does make sense. We had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is fentanyl is probably the biggest opioid is bad. Opioids bad, too? I think that's bad because everyone thinks in many cases they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short, if you take it for like, two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. 

[00:29:18]   
 It does make sense. We had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is fentanyl is probably the biggest opioid is bad. Opioids bad, too? I think that's bad because everyone thinks in many cases they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short, if you take it for like, two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. 

[00:29:48]   
 It's incredible. When you. 

[00:29:48]   
 It's incredible. When you. 

[00:29:49]  Theo Von 
 Oh, the whole. Yeah, all of that is horrible, but. 

[00:29:49]   
 Oh, the whole. Yeah, all of that is horrible, but. 

[00:29:51]  Donald Trump 
 Why do we allow it? 

[00:29:51]   
 Why do we allow it? 

[00:29:54]  Theo Von 
 No, I would just do cocaine. That was really. Yeah, so not just. 

[00:29:54]   
 No, I would just do cocaine. That was really. Yeah, so not just. 

[00:29:58]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, that's. And it was down and dirty, right? 

[00:29:58]   
 Yeah, that's. And it was down and dirty, right? 

[00:30:02]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. And this is. Yeah, this. I mean, it was. 

[00:30:02]   
 Yeah. And this is. Yeah, this. I mean, it was. 

[00:30:03]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, but you don't anymore? 

[00:30:03]   
 Yeah, but you don't anymore? 

[00:30:05]  Theo Von 
 No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing. 

[00:30:05]   
 No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing. 

[00:30:07]  Donald Trump 
 Is it too much. Too much to handle? 

[00:30:07]   
 Is it too much. Too much to handle? 

[00:30:09]  Theo Von 
 Some of this stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where it we were even getting it from in this country, but, yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something. 

[00:30:09]   
 Some of this stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where it we were even getting it from in this country, but, yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something. 

[00:30:17]  Donald Trump 
 So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part. 

[00:30:17]   
 So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part. 

[00:30:20]  Theo Von 
 Right? Yeah, but. Well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me. It'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink then I can do this. 

[00:30:20]   
 Right? Yeah, but. Well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me. It'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink then I can do this. 

[00:30:28]  Donald Trump 
 Is cocaine a stronger up? 

[00:30:28]   
 Is cocaine a stronger up? 

[00:30:32]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cocaine strong. 

[00:30:32]   
 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cocaine strong. 

[00:30:34]  Donald Trump 
 So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. 

[00:30:34]   
 So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. 

[00:30:37]  Theo Von 
 Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? You'll be out on your own porch. You know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp. You're frickin and. 

[00:30:37]   
 Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? You'll be out on your own porch. You know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp. You're frickin and. 

[00:30:46]  Donald Trump 
 Is that a good feeling? While. It's a miserable feeling, but you do it anyway. 

[00:30:46]   
 Is that a good feeling? While. It's a miserable feeling, but you do it anyway. 

[00:30:50]  Theo Von 
 Just like the guy you're saying with the scotch. Like you did. You didn't. You knew it was bad, but you still. 

[00:30:50]   
 Just like the guy you're saying with the scotch. Like you did. You didn't. You knew it was bad, but you still. 

[00:30:56]  Donald Trump 
 So it's not even good during what would be normally the good time, in other words. Oh, wow. So why would you do it? 

[00:30:56]   
 So it's not even good during what would be normally the good time, in other words. Oh, wow. So why would you do it? 

[00:31:02]  Theo Von 
 I wouldn't. That's why I don't. Yeah, but it's crazy, because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's. That it trumps the why. Like, it doesn't, and it just. You don't, and you just go to. It's like. So that's why they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism. 

[00:31:02]   
 I wouldn't. That's why I don't. Yeah, but it's crazy, because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's. That it trumps the why. Like, it doesn't, and it just. You don't, and you just go to. It's like. So that's why they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism. 

[00:31:22]   
 And it is. It's. It's. 

[00:31:22]   
 And it is. It's. It's. 

[00:31:24]  Donald Trump 
 Which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say opioids bigger than alcohol? 

[00:31:24]   
 Which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say opioids bigger than alcohol? 

[00:31:30]  Theo Von 
 Oh, for sure. I think it's. That's one of the biggest problems. 

[00:31:30]   
 Oh, for sure. I think it's. That's one of the biggest problems. 

[00:31:33]  Donald Trump 
 And compare that to fentanyl. 

[00:31:33]   
 And compare that to fentanyl. 

[00:31:35]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real ones, or they're just getting them off the street, and then they put fentanyl in them. 

[00:31:35]   
 Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real ones, or they're just getting them off the street, and then they put fentanyl in them. 

[00:31:42]  Donald Trump 
 Fentanyl's, like, laced into everything now. It's horrible. 

[00:31:42]   
 Fentanyl's, like, laced into everything now. It's horrible. 

[00:31:46]  Theo Von 
 It's horrible. Yeah. They found some in a baby rattle somewhere, I think. I don't even know where that was, but one of the things I wanted to ask you about was, like, so there's, like, the big pharma lobbyists. Like, there's 1800 big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. 

[00:31:46]   
 It's horrible. Yeah. They found some in a baby rattle somewhere, I think. I don't even know where that was, but one of the things I wanted to ask you about was, like, so there's, like, the big pharma lobbyists. Like, there's 1800 big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. 

[00:32:01]  Donald Trump 
 Right? 

[00:32:01]   
 Right? 

[00:32:01]  Theo Von 
 There's only 535 total representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like, how do we stop that, man? It just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like, people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us? 

[00:32:01]   
 There's only 535 total representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like, how do we stop that, man? It just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like, people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us? 

[00:32:28]  Donald Trump 
 Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists, and if they have even a little access to, like, a president or senator or a congressman or woman, they're snakes. They get a lot of money, and in some cases, they just take the money. They don't do anything. 

[00:32:28]   
 Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists, and if they have even a little access to, like, a president or senator or a congressman or woman, they're snakes. They get a lot of money, and in some cases, they just take the money. They don't do anything. 

[00:32:44]   
 But you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing, and certainly a lot for the. For all of the things that we're. 

[00:32:44]   
 But you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing, and certainly a lot for the. For all of the things that we're. 

[00:32:51]  Theo Von 
 Talking about, including alcohol, the lobbyists are winning. It feels like. 

[00:32:51]   
 Talking about, including alcohol, the lobbyists are winning. It feels like. 

[00:32:54]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely. 

[00:32:54]   
 Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely. 

[00:32:57]  Theo Von 
 Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? How do we stop that? 

[00:32:57]   
 Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? How do we stop that? 

[00:33:02]  Donald Trump 
 Well, one way you could stop it is to say if you're gonna go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. In many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever. 

[00:33:02]   
 Well, one way you could stop it is to say if you're gonna go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. In many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever. 

[00:33:14]  Theo Von 
 You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official. 

[00:33:14]   
 You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official. 

[00:33:16]  Donald Trump 
 I mean, you could say. 

[00:33:16]   
 I mean, you could say. 

[00:33:17]  Theo Von 
 Is that what you're saying? 

[00:33:17]   
 Is that what you're saying? 

[00:33:18]  Donald Trump 
 You could say that if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government, and they give out contracts to the military, and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to. 

[00:33:18]   
 You could say that if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government, and they give out contracts to the military, and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to. 

[00:33:34]  Theo Von 
 That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws. But can we outlaw lobbyists or. We can't do that. 

[00:33:34]   
 That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws. But can we outlaw lobbyists or. We can't do that. 

[00:33:48]  Donald Trump 
 Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business if you're. If you work for government, and especially if you're giving out contracts? In other words, you're a powerful person within some industry. The navy, the army, any, you know, anything. It could be military procurement, et cetera. 

[00:33:48]   
 Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business if you're. If you work for government, and especially if you're giving out contracts? In other words, you're a powerful person within some industry. The navy, the army, any, you know, anything. It could be military procurement, et cetera. 

[00:34:07]   
 There's a whole thing. Like, there's a whole question as to you give out a contract, and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to. 

[00:34:07]   
 There's a whole thing. Like, there's a whole question as to you give out a contract, and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to. 

[00:34:17]  Theo Von 
 Right. It's like you're playing both sides in the net. 

[00:34:17]   
 Right. It's like you're playing both sides in the net. 

[00:34:19]  Donald Trump 
 Well, it's. And it's obviously a problem, and it's a big problem. And we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some. We had a lot of problems with this guy. A lot of problems. 

[00:34:19]   
 Well, it's. And it's obviously a problem, and it's a big problem. And we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some. We had a lot of problems with this guy. A lot of problems. 

[00:34:30]  Theo Von 
 It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I would say. What do you think? 

[00:34:30]   
 It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I would say. What do you think? 

[00:34:34]  Donald Trump 
 Well, I think the people like me. 

[00:34:34]   
 Well, I think the people like me. 

[00:34:36]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:34:36]   
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:34:36]  Donald Trump 
 The people we're leading now in all the polls. We're leading. And Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very highly, highly regarded poll and we're leaving by like leading by five points. Rasmussen poll and others also. And we're doing well. I think the people like me a lot. You know, we won and then we, no doubt. 

[00:34:36]   
 The people we're leading now in all the polls. We're leading. And Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very highly, highly regarded poll and we're leaving by like leading by five points. Rasmussen poll and others also. And we're doing well. I think the people like me a lot. You know, we won and then we, no doubt. 

[00:34:57]   
 So we won in 2016 and then we did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and millions more votes. 

[00:34:57]   
 So we won in 2016 and then we did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and millions more votes. 

[00:35:04]  Theo Von 
 And why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they are so afraid of? 

[00:35:04]   
 And why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they are so afraid of? 

[00:35:10]  Donald Trump 
 In some cases, the things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in. They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain everything. Bought a pharma is another one. That's interesting. 

[00:35:10]   
 In some cases, the things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in. They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain everything. Bought a pharma is another one. That's interesting. 

[00:35:27]  Theo Von 
 Do they push back against you, you think? 

[00:35:27]   
 Do they push back against you, you think? 

[00:35:29]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they do in one way that's a positive thing politically because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it. But we have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of people that want to see me come back, win because we had a great time. 

[00:35:29]   
 Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they do in one way that's a positive thing politically because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it. But we have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of people that want to see me come back, win because we had a great time. 

[00:35:49]   
 We had the greatest economy in history when I was president. 

[00:35:49]   
 We had the greatest economy in history when I was president. 

[00:35:53]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah, my cousin got a boat. 

[00:35:53]   
 Oh, yeah, my cousin got a boat. 

[00:35:55]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. We had the best job numbers, african american, hispanic american, if you look asian american. Job numbers, women, men, everybody. We did a, we did a lot of good things. We cut, we cut taxes more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations which created jobs. We had a great period of. 

[00:35:55]   
 Yeah. We had the best job numbers, african american, hispanic american, if you look asian american. Job numbers, women, men, everybody. We did a, we did a lot of good things. We cut, we cut taxes more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations which created jobs. We had a great period of. 

[00:36:14]   
 And I think the people want it back. Based on what I'm seeing, the people want it back. 

[00:36:14]   
 And I think the people want it back. Based on what I'm seeing, the people want it back. 

[00:36:19]  Theo Von 
 One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders on. And interesting, and I know that's very interesting. Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the american people because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us. 

[00:36:19]   
 One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders on. And interesting, and I know that's very interesting. Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the american people because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us. 

[00:36:43]   
 And literally they can charge whatever they want. You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay. You trust the hospital. But then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me. That's what it seems like to me. 

[00:36:43]   
 And literally they can charge whatever they want. You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay. You trust the hospital. But then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me. That's what it seems like to me. 

[00:36:57]  Donald Trump 
 It's a form. 

[00:36:57]   
 It's a form. 

[00:36:58]  Theo Von 
 But you had an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices. Right. So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there. Then I can go here and see, save myself money. But that hasn't even been enforced. 

[00:36:58]   
 But you had an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices. Right. So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there. Then I can go here and see, save myself money. But that hasn't even been enforced. 

[00:37:18]   
 Like hospitals. 

[00:37:18]   
 Like hospitals. 

[00:37:19]  Donald Trump 
 Biden got away with it. 

[00:37:19]   
 Biden got away with it. 

[00:37:21]  Theo Von 
 Hospitals and insurance companies, they're not in. They're still not showing their prices. 

[00:37:21]   
 Hospitals and insurance companies, they're not in. They're still not showing their prices. 

[00:37:25]  Donald Trump 
 They hated it. 

[00:37:25]   
 They hated it. 

[00:37:26]  Theo Von 
 Of course they did. 

[00:37:26]   
 Of course they did. 

[00:37:27]  Donald Trump 
 And because it would. Would have made it very competitive. And Biden let it go. He did. He never enforced it. And to get that approved was a big deal. And that would have brought down the price of so many things. Not only just care, right, care, physical care, mental care. That would have brought down the cost of care by 50, 60%. 

[00:37:27]   
 And because it would. Would have made it very competitive. And Biden let it go. He did. He never enforced it. And to get that approved was a big deal. And that would have brought down the price of so many things. Not only just care, right, care, physical care, mental care. That would have brought down the cost of care by 50, 60%. 

[00:37:49]   
 And Biden and Kamala didn't press it. It was a big thing to get it. But I'll be pressing it. And because I will be pressing it. Yeah, and because I'll be pressing it. There are some people that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know, for money reasons. 

[00:37:49]   
 And Biden and Kamala didn't press it. It was a big thing to get it. But I'll be pressing it. And because I will be pressing it. Yeah, and because I'll be pressing it. There are some people that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know, for money reasons. 

[00:38:05]  Theo Von 
 But I think people can go to hell. That's insane. 

[00:38:05]   
 But I think people can go to hell. That's insane. 

[00:38:07]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. No, they bad people. 

[00:38:07]   
 Yeah. No, they bad people. 

[00:38:10]  Theo Von 
 Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I mean, it's. 

[00:38:10]   
 Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I mean, it's. 

[00:38:17]  Donald Trump 
 Wow. 

[00:38:17]   
 Wow. 

[00:38:17]  Theo Von 
 That's crazy. And I don't even think I made that up either. 

[00:38:17]   
 That's crazy. And I don't even think I made that up either. 

[00:38:20]  Donald Trump 
 No, it's. When you think of it, at first, when you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking about it. I'm saying it's really not a wow. It's. I understand it. Tremendous lobby. Tremendous, powerful lobby. 

[00:38:20]   
 No, it's. When you think of it, at first, when you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking about it. I'm saying it's really not a wow. It's. I understand it. Tremendous lobby. Tremendous, powerful lobby. 

[00:38:32]  Theo Von 
 Well, yeah. Cause, I mean, think about what else is gonna put you in medical, like, in that much of a debt. It's like, I think that's. I believe that that's accurate. Who's behind the healthcare insurance? That whole thing, like, who's behind it all? It feels like Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back there somewhere. 

[00:38:32]   
 Well, yeah. Cause, I mean, think about what else is gonna put you in medical, like, in that much of a debt. It's like, I think that's. I believe that that's accurate. Who's behind the healthcare insurance? That whole thing, like, who's behind it all? It feels like Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back there somewhere. 

[00:38:53]  Donald Trump 
 Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and he's one of the people that keeps the prices high. And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from the people on the other side. Yeah. And him and plenty of other people. A lot of people. It's a very powerful lobby. 

[00:38:53]   
 Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and he's one of the people that keeps the prices high. And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from the people on the other side. Yeah. And him and plenty of other people. A lot of people. It's a very powerful lobby. 

[00:39:08]  Theo Von 
 But wouldn't they want the most powerful. 

[00:39:08]   
 But wouldn't they want the most powerful. 

[00:39:10]  Donald Trump 
 Lobby, the lawyer lobby? 

[00:39:10]   
 Lobby, the lawyer lobby? 

[00:39:11]  Theo Von 
 That's. That's the. 

[00:39:11]   
 That's. That's the. 

[00:39:12]  Donald Trump 
 And that feeds into that also. You know, it all feeds into it. 

[00:39:12]   
 And that feeds into that also. You know, it all feeds into it. 

[00:39:15]  Theo Von 
 Wait, hold on. Just so I understand. Donald. Sorry. Um, so that, uh, that lobby is a very powerful one. 

[00:39:15]   
 Wait, hold on. Just so I understand. Donald. Sorry. Um, so that, uh, that lobby is a very powerful one. 

[00:39:20]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. 

[00:39:20]   
 Yeah. 

[00:39:21]  Theo Von 
 But why do those people want people to suffer, though? Just so they can make money? 

[00:39:21]   
 But why do those people want people to suffer, though? Just so they can make money? 

[00:39:25]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. It really has to do with money. 

[00:39:25]   
 Yeah. It really has to do with money. 

[00:39:30]  Theo Von 
 That's crazy. How much money do they probably start off by? 

[00:39:30]   
 That's crazy. How much money do they probably start off by? 

[00:39:33]  Donald Trump 
 Saying, this is terrible. And then they eventually say, well, but. 

[00:39:33]   
 Saying, this is terrible. And then they eventually say, well, but. 

[00:39:36]  Theo Von 
 Can we just, as a country say, hey, how much? Okay, you need $3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off. We want to be healthy. Like, can't we make a deal with those people? 

[00:39:36]   
 Can we just, as a country say, hey, how much? Okay, you need $3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off. We want to be healthy. Like, can't we make a deal with those people? 

[00:39:46]  Donald Trump 
 They're very tough to deal with, and they've been taken care of by drug companies and others for years. You know, you have politicians that have been for years being taken care of by people that make a lot of money, and they want to keep making a lot of money. And it is. I mean, in that case, it's not a power thing, it's a money thing. 

[00:39:46]   
 They're very tough to deal with, and they've been taken care of by drug companies and others for years. You know, you have politicians that have been for years being taken care of by people that make a lot of money, and they want to keep making a lot of money. And it is. I mean, in that case, it's not a power thing, it's a money thing. 

[00:40:03]   
 Yeah, a lot of money. 

[00:40:03]   
 Yeah, a lot of money. 

[00:40:06]  Theo Von 
 What are some of the other lobbies that are out there that we don't even know about? 

[00:40:06]   
 What are some of the other lobbies that are out there that we don't even know about? 

[00:40:09]  Donald Trump 
 Well, the most powerful lobby is the lawyer lobby. I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful, sometimes, really, to the detriment of everybody. But the most powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right? But they have. That's why if you wanted to get rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which in this country is out of control, loser pays. 

[00:40:09]   
 Well, the most powerful lobby is the lawyer lobby. I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful, sometimes, really, to the detriment of everybody. But the most powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right? But they have. That's why if you wanted to get rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which in this country is out of control, loser pays. 

[00:40:36]   
 That's crazy. What you do is you go, loser pays. In other words, the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for, the other side has to pay back all the money the other side spent. 

[00:40:36]   
 That's crazy. What you do is you go, loser pays. In other words, the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for, the other side has to pay back all the money the other side spent. 

[00:40:45]  Theo Von 
 You think that would solve it? 

[00:40:45]   
 You think that would solve it? 

[00:40:47]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of the litigation. We are a very litigious country. 

[00:40:47]   
 Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of the litigation. We are a very litigious country. 

[00:40:53]  Theo Von 
 It's on. Everything's under. It's all bureaucratic. It's all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole. 

[00:40:53]   
 It's on. Everything's under. It's all bureaucratic. It's all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole. 

[00:40:58]  Donald Trump 
 Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a lot of it, but the lawyers are opposed to it. It probably will not happen no matter what, because obviously the lawyers want to. 

[00:40:58]   
 Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a lot of it, but the lawyers are opposed to it. It probably will not happen no matter what, because obviously the lawyers want to. 

[00:41:09]  Theo Von 
 Can you do what would have to happen? The Supreme Court would have to vote on something to make it happen. 

[00:41:09]   
 Can you do what would have to happen? The Supreme Court would have to vote on something to make it happen. 

[00:41:13]  Donald Trump 
 I don't know. I think that maybe would have to go before the Supreme Court. But the most powerful lobby is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it, a lot of places have it, different countries where loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you have to. 

[00:41:13]   
 I don't know. I think that maybe would have to go before the Supreme Court. But the most powerful lobby is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it, a lot of places have it, different countries where loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you have to. 

[00:41:32]   
 You have to pay the costs of the other side. 

[00:41:32]   
 You have to pay the costs of the other side. 

[00:41:35]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, that makes sense, I think. 

[00:41:35]   
 Yeah, that makes sense, I think. 

[00:41:36]  Donald Trump 
 And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference. But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to it. In this country. It's too bad. 

[00:41:36]   
 And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference. But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to it. In this country. It's too bad. 

[00:41:47]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, man. It's just pretty heartbreaking. I feel like there was a rumor that you almost had RFK junior as a potential vice president? 

[00:41:47]   
 Yeah, man. It's just pretty heartbreaking. I feel like there was a rumor that you almost had RFK junior as a potential vice president? 

[00:41:58]  Donald Trump 
 No. 

[00:41:58]   
 No. 

[00:41:59]  Theo Von 
 Okay. Just a rumor. And did I like him? 

[00:41:59]   
 Okay. Just a rumor. And did I like him? 

[00:42:02]  Donald Trump 
 I've always liked him. 

[00:42:02]   
 I've always liked him. 

[00:42:04]  Theo Von 
 Yeah, I like him, too. Bobby and I are friends. He's a friend of mine. I've known him for years. 

[00:42:04]   
 Yeah, I like him, too. Bobby and I are friends. He's a friend of mine. I've known him for years. 

[00:42:07]  Donald Trump 
 He's a good man. 

[00:42:07]   
 He's a good man. 

[00:42:07]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:42:07]   
 Yeah. 

[00:42:08]  Donald Trump 
 He's in there pitching. It's tough. It's a two party system, and he's a third party. It's a tough thing. He can't get registered now in New York. I see. New York. And the Democrats have really opposed him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him. 

[00:42:08]   
 He's in there pitching. It's tough. It's a two party system, and he's a third party. It's a tough thing. He can't get registered now in New York. I see. New York. And the Democrats have really opposed him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him. 

[00:42:22]  Theo Von 
 So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere? 

[00:42:22]   
 So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere? 

[00:42:24]  Donald Trump 
 Well, the laws don't allow that. 

[00:42:24]   
 Well, the laws don't allow that. 

[00:42:26]  Theo Von 
 Okay. 

[00:42:26]   
 Okay. 

[00:42:27]  Donald Trump 
 And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%, whatever it is. They don't allow you to debate. You don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage. You can't. The debates are very important. I mean, I had a debate with Joe Biden. 

[00:42:27]   
 And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%, whatever it is. They don't allow you to debate. You don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage. You can't. The debates are very important. I mean, I had a debate with Joe Biden. 

[00:42:39]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:42:39]   
 Oh, yeah. 

[00:42:40]  Donald Trump 
 That was a very meaningful, that was a very consequential debate, to put it mildly. 

[00:42:40]   
 That was a very meaningful, that was a very consequential debate, to put it mildly. 

[00:42:45]  Theo Von 
 Well, yeah, they took the hand out of the puppet after that. 

[00:42:45]   
 Well, yeah, they took the hand out of the puppet after that. 

[00:42:50]  Donald Trump 
 They wanted to debate. They gave me everything that I didn't want. CNN. And then they gave me Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now, remember this. They were very straight during that debate. I have gained a certain respect because Jake Tapper, who I call fake Tapper, but I don't do that. 

[00:42:50]   
 They wanted to debate. They gave me everything that I didn't want. CNN. And then they gave me Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now, remember this. They were very straight during that debate. I have gained a certain respect because Jake Tapper, who I call fake Tapper, but I don't do that. 

[00:43:09]  Theo Von 
 I saw him at whole food. 

[00:43:09]   
 I saw him at whole food. 

[00:43:10]  Donald Trump 
 I don't do that so much anymore. You did, but I thought they were very even handed, if you want to know the truth. During the debate, I didn't feel like. 

[00:43:10]   
 I don't do that so much anymore. You did, but I thought they were very even handed, if you want to know the truth. During the debate, I didn't feel like. 

[00:43:18]  Theo Von 
 They, like the moderate. I didn't feel like they pushed a lot of. 

[00:43:18]   
 They, like the moderate. I didn't feel like they pushed a lot of. 

[00:43:20]  Donald Trump 
 They had certain pressure on them to, to be even handed. I think it's hard to not do that. But they were very even handed. And it was a great debate, but a very important debate. 

[00:43:20]   
 They had certain pressure on them to, to be even handed. I think it's hard to not do that. But they were very even handed. And it was a great debate, but a very important debate. 

[00:43:30]  Theo Von 
 Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, oh, Biden's fine in America for, like, 18 months. Like, my dad was really old when I was born. My dad was 70 when I was born. Right. So I don't like seeing senior citizens get taken advantage of. Right. I felt like that happened a lot when I was a kid. 

[00:43:30]   
 Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, oh, Biden's fine in America for, like, 18 months. Like, my dad was really old when I was born. My dad was 70 when I was born. Right. So I don't like seeing senior citizens get taken advantage of. Right. I felt like that happened a lot when I was a kid. 

[00:43:46]   
 And so I think, for me, it reflected on me. Like, it made me really angry, because I was like, I know this guy's not, well, it's not fair to pretend that he's, well, it's not fair to him because he doesn't know you're pretending you know, and it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do. 

[00:43:46]   
 And so I think, for me, it reflected on me. Like, it made me really angry, because I was like, I know this guy's not, well, it's not fair to pretend that he's, well, it's not fair to him because he doesn't know you're pretending you know, and it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do. 

[00:44:02]   
 And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this thing that we know is not real. Our media is just saying this is real and we're like, we're just being gaslit as humans about something that's like moral. Like, this is a human man, this is somebody's grandfather. And then they just disappear. He just disappears. 

[00:44:02]   
 And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this thing that we know is not real. Our media is just saying this is real and we're like, we're just being gaslit as humans about something that's like moral. Like, this is a human man, this is somebody's grandfather. And then they just disappear. He just disappears. 

[00:44:22]   
 And suddenly it's like it was a coup. Kamala is the, is the one that went in. What do you think happened in the back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight that happened. 

[00:44:22]   
 And suddenly it's like it was a coup. Kamala is the, is the one that went in. What do you think happened in the back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight that happened. 

[00:44:31]  Donald Trump 
 I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that. It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're telling him to get out or they threatened him. 

[00:44:31]   
 I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that. It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're telling him to get out or they threatened him. 

[00:44:44]  Theo Von 
 But who were they? 

[00:44:44]   
 But who were they? 

[00:44:45]  Donald Trump 
 When they say angry person? Well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi and numerous other people. The heads of the Democrat party. 

[00:44:45]   
 When they say angry person? Well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi and numerous other people. The heads of the Democrat party. 

[00:44:54]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:44:54]   
 Yeah. 

[00:44:55]  Donald Trump 
 And they did. They threatened him violently, I think. And he didn't want to get out. Remember he said, only God will get me out. Right. Only God will get me. 

[00:44:55]   
 And they did. They threatened him violently, I think. And he didn't want to get out. Remember he said, only God will get me out. Right. Only God will get me. 

[00:45:03]  Theo Von 
 Somebody dressed up like God and chased him out of there. 

[00:45:03]   
 Somebody dressed up like God and chased him out of there. 

[00:45:05]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. And what happened is they, they went to him and they said this was after the debate. Now, if he didn't have the debate, he would still be running. Running. 

[00:45:05]   
 Yeah. And what happened is they, they went to him and they said this was after the debate. Now, if he didn't have the debate, he would still be running. Running. 

[00:45:14]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. So they set him up. They knew they were going to pull that. 

[00:45:14]   
 Yeah. So they set him up. They knew they were going to pull that. 

[00:45:18]  Donald Trump 
 I don't know. I mean, he had his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't. I heard. They offered me things that I would never accept and I accepted them. They said CNN, they said Jake top Tapper, Dana Bash, they said all things that I could not take and I accepted all of them. 

[00:45:18]   
 I don't know. I mean, he had his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't. I heard. They offered me things that I would never accept and I accepted them. They said CNN, they said Jake top Tapper, Dana Bash, they said all things that I could not take and I accepted all of them. 

[00:45:35]   
 And, you know, look, it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a good debate for him. I think you'd still be running right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was a failed vice president. She was the most, she was considered the worst vice president in the history of our country. 

[00:45:35]   
 And, you know, look, it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a good debate for him. I think you'd still be running right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was a failed vice president. She was the most, she was considered the worst vice president in the history of our country. 

[00:45:57]   
 She had no chance. You know, if you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad she was and they wanted to choose from eleven different people. 

[00:45:57]   
 She had no chance. You know, if you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad she was and they wanted to choose from eleven different people. 

[00:46:04]  Theo Von 
 Do you feel? 

[00:46:04]   
 Do you feel? 

[00:46:05]  Donald Trump 
 I thought that's what they were gonna have. 

[00:46:05]   
 I thought that's what they were gonna have. 

[00:46:07]  Theo Von 
 Oh, you thought that's where they go. Well, that would have seemed more democratic. 

[00:46:07]   
 Oh, you thought that's where they go. Well, that would have seemed more democratic. 

[00:46:09]  Donald Trump 
 I think they were, they were, they wanted to be politically correct and they chose her. 

[00:46:09]   
 I think they were, they were, they wanted to be politically correct and they chose her. 

[00:46:16]  Theo Von 
 I feel like it would have seemed more. But, dude, I got so angry. When they sidetracked Bernie a few years ago, that wasn't fair. 

[00:46:16]   
 I feel like it would have seemed more. But, dude, I got so angry. When they sidetracked Bernie a few years ago, that wasn't fair. 

[00:46:22]  Donald Trump 
 It happened to Bernie twice. 

[00:46:22]   
 It happened to Bernie twice. 

[00:46:24]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:46:24]   
 Yeah. 

[00:46:24]  Donald Trump 
 You think about it? 

[00:46:24]   
 You think about it? 

[00:46:25]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. 2016 and 22, he just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like, whatever you think. It's just like, we have to be. 

[00:46:25]   
 Yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. 2016 and 22, he just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like, whatever you think. It's just like, we have to be. 

[00:46:32]  Donald Trump 
 Able to believe Bernie. Is he. Are you friends with him or so. 

[00:46:32]   
 Able to believe Bernie. Is he. Are you friends with him or so. 

[00:46:35]  Theo Von 
 No, I met him the other day. 

[00:46:35]   
 No, I met him the other day. 

[00:46:37]  Donald Trump 
 Was that the first time? 

[00:46:37]   
 Was that the first time? 

[00:46:38]  Theo Von 
 It was the first time. 

[00:46:38]   
 It was the first time. 

[00:46:39]  Donald Trump 
 Were you impressed by him? 

[00:46:39]   
 Were you impressed by him? 

[00:46:40]  Theo Von 
 I. Yeah. 

[00:46:40]   
 I. Yeah. 

[00:46:42]  Donald Trump 
 One thing. He's. He's still sharp, right? 

[00:46:42]   
 One thing. He's. He's still sharp, right? 

[00:46:44]  Theo Von 
 Oh, yeah, he's still sharp. 

[00:46:44]   
 Oh, yeah, he's still sharp. 

[00:46:45]  Donald Trump 
 He doesn't suffer from what Biden did. 

[00:46:45]   
 He doesn't suffer from what Biden did. 

[00:46:47]  Theo Von 
 No, no, no. 

[00:46:47]   
 No, no, no. 

[00:46:48]  Donald Trump 
 Mental dullness. 

[00:46:48]   
 Mental dullness. 

[00:46:49]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. 

[00:46:49]   
 Yeah. 

[00:46:50]  Donald Trump 
 Right. I mean, mentally gone. Mentally gone. 

[00:46:50]   
 Right. I mean, mentally gone. Mentally gone. 

[00:46:54]  Theo Von 
 He's, you know, he's. Somebody put a merry go around in his head. I heard. But that's, you know, but they didn't plug it in. They didn't tell him. Yeah, but no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one of the things is it's the healthcare. I just feel like we spend so much money in different places and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic, I just feel like. 

[00:46:54]   
 He's, you know, he's. Somebody put a merry go around in his head. I heard. But that's, you know, but they didn't plug it in. They didn't tell him. Yeah, but no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one of the things is it's the healthcare. I just feel like we spend so much money in different places and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic, I just feel like. 

[00:47:13]   
 And the lower cost of drugs, those are things that I. 

[00:47:13]   
 And the lower cost of drugs, those are things that I. 

[00:47:16]  Donald Trump 
 Cause I got insulin down and they took credit for it, but I got it down to dollar 35, and I said, I hope I win because somebody's gonna take credit. It takes a period of time before it kicks in statutorily. And I got it down to $35, which is a very low price. 

[00:47:16]   
 Cause I got insulin down and they took credit for it, but I got it down to dollar 35, and I said, I hope I win because somebody's gonna take credit. It takes a period of time before it kicks in statutorily. And I got it down to $35, which is a very low price. 

[00:47:34]   
 And they took credit for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit because I'm talking to you, you know. 

[00:47:34]   
 And they took credit for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit because I'm talking to you, you know. 

[00:47:39]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. If you did it, then you should be able to take credit for it. 

[00:47:39]   
 Yeah. If you did it, then you should be able to take credit for it. 

[00:47:41]  Donald Trump 
 I just watched her performance today. So she went out and. 

[00:47:41]   
 I just watched her performance today. So she went out and. 

[00:47:45]  Theo Von 
 Who, Kamala? 

[00:47:45]   
 Who, Kamala? 

[00:47:46]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. She lied about everything. She said this Trump tax, that Trump tax, that Trump. He's going to tax this. He's going to attack all these different things, and I'm not going to tax them. She made it up. 

[00:47:46]   
 Yeah. She lied about everything. She said this Trump tax, that Trump tax, that Trump. He's going to tax this. He's going to attack all these different things, and I'm not going to tax them. She made it up. 

[00:47:57]  Theo Von 
 Did you know that four companies controlled over 80% of the us meat industry, and China now controls the largest portion of us pork? These companies are using mobster like tactics to crush american family farms. And with the additives that they're putting into our food, Americans are stuck with sketchy meat. So what can we do about it? 

[00:47:57]   
 Did you know that four companies controlled over 80% of the us meat industry, and China now controls the largest portion of us pork? These companies are using mobster like tactics to crush american family farms. And with the additives that they're putting into our food, Americans are stuck with sketchy meat. So what can we do about it? 

[00:48:21]   
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[00:48:21]   
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[00:48:38]  Donald Trump 
 Hey, buddy. 

[00:48:38]   
 Hey, buddy. 

[00:48:39]  Theo Von 
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[00:48:39]   
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[00:50:20]  Donald Trump 
 Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She made up a series of lots of different taxes that Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one, your taxes are going to go up by four times. 

[00:50:20]   
 Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She made up a series of lots of different taxes that Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one, your taxes are going to go up by four times. 

[00:50:37]   
 And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number of months, pretty soon she has to be able to do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll tell you what, if she's, she's the worst vice president ever. He's the worst president ever. 

[00:50:37]   
 And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number of months, pretty soon she has to be able to do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll tell you what, if she's, she's the worst vice president ever. He's the worst president ever. 

[00:50:59]   
 A deadly combination. And we have a country where the borders are bad, where the world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that are happening. 

[00:50:59]   
 A deadly combination. And we have a country where the borders are bad, where the world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that are happening. 

[00:51:10]  Theo Von 
 Oh, we're, yeah, she is. 

[00:51:10]   
 Oh, we're, yeah, she is. 

[00:51:11]  Donald Trump 
 And she has no clue. And you know what I say about her? Why don't you do it? You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for three and a half years. Why don't you do it? All you have to do is say, why don't you do it? Why didn't you fix it? 

[00:51:11]   
 And she has no clue. And you know what I say about her? Why don't you do it? You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for three and a half years. Why don't you do it? All you have to do is say, why don't you do it? Why didn't you fix it? 

[00:51:23]   
 You could fix it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing, and she won't talk to you, and she won't talk to anybody. She won't be interviewed. 

[00:51:23]   
 You could fix it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing, and she won't talk to you, and she won't talk to anybody. She won't be interviewed. 

[00:51:31]  Theo Von 
 She's welcome to come on. I would love to get to talk to her. 

[00:51:31]   
 She's welcome to come on. I would love to get to talk to her. 

[00:51:33]  Donald Trump 
 I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make her exciting, probably. Yeah. I think she. 

[00:51:33]   
 I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make her exciting, probably. Yeah. I think she. 

[00:51:38]  Theo Von 
 Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard, which is crazy. 

[00:51:38]   
 Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard, which is crazy. 

[00:51:41]  Donald Trump 
 That's about it. 

[00:51:41]   
 That's about it. 

[00:51:46]  Theo Von 
 Look, we're going to wrap it up soon, okay? Is everything okay, Donald? Sorry. Speaking of, speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had two border patrol agents that came on in the past two years, right. Because we wanted to learn about it from people that are there on the ground. And one of the things that we found out was, a lot of times they keep arresting the same people because the people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. 

[00:51:46]   
 Look, we're going to wrap it up soon, okay? Is everything okay, Donald? Sorry. Speaking of, speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had two border patrol agents that came on in the past two years, right. Because we wanted to learn about it from people that are there on the ground. And one of the things that we found out was, a lot of times they keep arresting the same people because the people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. 

[00:52:08]   
 That's one of the biggest problems. They were saying, what can we do differently to make things safe at the border? It's the fact that a family can't. A father can't sleep at night because he doesn't know who's going through his yard or going through it. It's just not fair. It's not what you sign up for when you're in a marriage. 

[00:52:08]   
 That's one of the biggest problems. They were saying, what can we do differently to make things safe at the border? It's the fact that a family can't. A father can't sleep at night because he doesn't know who's going through his yard or going through it. It's just not fair. It's not what you sign up for when you're in a marriage. 

[00:52:26]   
 What are you going to do differently? 

[00:52:26]   
 What are you going to do differently? 

[00:52:27]  Donald Trump 
 So the borders. Well, I did it. I did it. We had the best border. 

[00:52:27]   
 So the borders. Well, I did it. I did it. We had the best border. 

[00:52:31]  Theo Von 
 Oh, the wall. They should have kept it. I agree. 

[00:52:31]   
 Oh, the wall. They should have kept it. I agree. 

[00:52:32]  Donald Trump 
 The wall built. We had more going to come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds of miles of wall, and it worked. Walls work, you know, walls and wheels. I say it all the time. Two things, they never get obsolete. 

[00:52:32]   
 The wall built. We had more going to come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds of miles of wall, and it worked. Walls work, you know, walls and wheels. I say it all the time. Two things, they never get obsolete. 

[00:52:46]  Theo Von 
 Well, they. Well, they also supplied infrastructure. Like, people don't understand. The wall also was a place where border patrol agents could go to get water, to get food, to rest. It provided, like, a shelter out there as well. 

[00:52:46]   
 Well, they. Well, they also supplied infrastructure. Like, people don't understand. The wall also was a place where border patrol agents could go to get water, to get food, to rest. It provided, like, a shelter out there as well. 

[00:52:58]  Donald Trump 
 It worked. 

[00:52:58]   
 It worked. 

[00:52:58]  Theo Von 
 They were in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked. The two that I've spoken to said it worked. 

[00:52:58]   
 They were in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked. The two that I've spoken to said it worked. 

[00:53:02]  Donald Trump 
 And I was going to do 200 miles of wall. We had it built, and we, to the specs, specifications of the border patrol, we were going to put it up, and it would take three weeks to put it up. That's an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that, you know, when you make the wall, then all of a sudden they suck. 

[00:53:02]   
 And I was going to do 200 miles of wall. We had it built, and we, to the specs, specifications of the border patrol, we were going to put it up, and it would take three weeks to put it up. That's an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that, you know, when you make the wall, then all of a sudden they suck. 

[00:53:21]   
 I mean, through other areas. We had it wired. And they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders. Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders. We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them. 

[00:53:21]   
 I mean, through other areas. We had it wired. And they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders. Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders. We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them. 

[00:53:35]  Theo Von 
 Sick. 

[00:53:35]   
 Sick. 

[00:53:35]  Donald Trump 
 We have over 20 million people, in my opinion right now, that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails, mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries now, their crime rate is way down because they're sending all their criminals. 

[00:53:35]   
 We have over 20 million people, in my opinion right now, that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails, mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries now, their crime rate is way down because they're sending all their criminals. 

[00:53:50]  Theo Von 
 It's a party. 

[00:53:50]   
 It's a party. 

[00:53:51]  Donald Trump 
 They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's a horrible. She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was the worst border czar in the history of the world. 

[00:53:51]   
 They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's a horrible. She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was the worst border czar in the history of the world. 

[00:54:06]  Theo Von 
 She's a roller skater. That's what somebody told me the other day. 

[00:54:06]   
 She's a roller skater. That's what somebody told me the other day. 

[00:54:09]  Donald Trump 
 She's terrible. 

[00:54:09]   
 She's terrible. 

[00:54:10]  Theo Von 
 But what are you going to do? What's going to happen with the border when you're back? 

[00:54:10]   
 But what are you going to do? What's going to happen with the border when you're back? 

[00:54:13]  Donald Trump 
 We're going to seal the border. And I had it very well sealed. We're the most successful border in the history of our country. We're going to seal the border. We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it. And we're going to have an unbelievable border, and we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out. 

[00:54:13]   
 We're going to seal the border. And I had it very well sealed. We're the most successful border in the history of our country. We're going to seal the border. We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it. And we're going to have an unbelievable border, and we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out. 

[00:54:30]   
 Look, we have murderers in our country. 

[00:54:30]   
 Look, we have murderers in our country. 

[00:54:32]  Theo Von 
 Well, I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals. 

[00:54:32]   
 Well, I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals. 

[00:54:35]  Donald Trump 
 Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers. We have people, drug dealers talking about drugs. It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands. 

[00:54:35]   
 Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers. We have people, drug dealers talking about drugs. It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands. 

[00:55:01]   
 And they are in our country right now. And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to kill you. 

[00:55:01]   
 And they are in our country right now. And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to kill you. 

[00:55:08]  Theo Von 
 In Brooklyn alone, there's a huge, there's a huge building that is housing just haitian people. They're just housing this. Wandering around Brooklyn all the time. My friends are telling they have some. 

[00:55:08]   
 In Brooklyn alone, there's a huge, there's a huge building that is housing just haitian people. They're just housing this. Wandering around Brooklyn all the time. My friends are telling they have some. 

[00:55:17]  Donald Trump 
 Rough people, too, really rough people. 

[00:55:17]   
 Rough people, too, really rough people. 

[00:55:20]  Theo Von 
 So if you get reelected, the border, you're going to continue that project? 

[00:55:20]   
 So if you get reelected, the border, you're going to continue that project? 

[00:55:24]  Donald Trump 
 Well, I had. 

[00:55:24]   
 Well, I had. 

[00:55:25]  Theo Von 
 We're going to make sure it's safe. 

[00:55:25]   
 We're going to make sure it's safe. 

[00:55:26]  Donald Trump 
 We had it. We had the safest border. And the best border in the history of our country, and now it's a disaster. 

[00:55:26]   
 We had it. We had the safest border. And the best border in the history of our country, and now it's a disaster. 

[00:55:33]  Theo Von 
 Biden. Somebody invited Biden to the border, and they said he went to a borders books, dude. And I was like, that's. 

[00:55:33]   
 Biden. Somebody invited Biden to the border, and they said he went to a borders books, dude. And I was like, that's. 

[00:55:37]  Donald Trump 
 Well, they invited her, and she went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know, she's a disaster. She is the worst vice president. It's the worst administration in the history of our country. She's a part of it, and she won't do an interview. She would never do an interview like this. 

[00:55:37]   
 Well, they invited her, and she went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know, she's a disaster. She is the worst vice president. It's the worst administration in the history of our country. She's a part of it, and she won't do an interview. She would never do an interview like this. 

[00:55:53]   
 She won't do an interview. 

[00:55:53]   
 She won't do an interview. 

[00:55:54]  Theo Von 
 Yeah. I want to learn more about her. 

[00:55:54]   
 Yeah. I want to learn more about her. 

[00:55:55]  Donald Trump 
 Well, I think you should ask her to. Come on. 

[00:55:55]   
 Well, I think you should ask her to. Come on. 

[00:55:58]  Theo Von 
 Tell baron I said thanks, man. Yeah. 

[00:55:58]   
 Tell baron I said thanks, man. Yeah. 

[00:56:00]  Donald Trump 
 He's a big fan. 

[00:56:00]   
 He's a big fan. 

[00:56:01]  Theo Von 
 I hope to get to meet him someday. He seems like a neat kid. 

[00:56:01]   
 I hope to get to meet him someday. He seems like a neat kid. 

[00:56:03]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, he is. He's great. 

[00:56:03]   
 Yeah, he is. He's great. 

[00:56:04]  Theo Von 
 Is he? Yeah. And, yeah. Thank you for your time. I can't believe that I got to be able to sit down with you. I'm grateful to Dana White as well, for setting this up. And, yeah, I just appreciate you giving me your time today. 

[00:56:04]   
 Is he? Yeah. And, yeah. Thank you for your time. I can't believe that I got to be able to sit down with you. I'm grateful to Dana White as well, for setting this up. And, yeah, I just appreciate you giving me your time today. 

[00:56:18]  Donald Trump 
 Donald Trump, thank you so much. Good luck with your situation. You're going to do it? You beat it, right? Oh, yeah. Good luck with it. 

[00:56:18]   
 Donald Trump, thank you so much. Good luck with your situation. You're going to do it? You beat it, right? Oh, yeah. Good luck with it. 

[00:56:25]  Theo Von 
 Thank you, brother. 

[00:56:25]   
 Thank you, brother. 

[00:56:25]  Donald Trump 
 Thank you very much. 

[00:56:25]   
 Thank you very much. 

[00:56:27]  Theo Von 
 Now I'm just falling on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves for 50 years now, hip hop has been a reflection of culture and society. That includes stories of struggle and pain, social injustice, racial inequality, the marginalization of communities. Today, we confront a healthcare system that has been rigged against all of us. 

[00:56:27]   
 Now I'm just falling on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves for 50 years now, hip hop has been a reflection of culture and society. That includes stories of struggle and pain, social injustice, racial inequality, the marginalization of communities. Today, we confront a healthcare system that has been rigged against all of us. 

[00:56:49]  Donald Trump 
 Hospitals force patients to sign contracts for. 

[00:56:49]   
 Hospitals force patients to sign contracts for. 

[00:56:52]  Theo Von 
 Services without ever showing us actual prices, stifling competition, overcharging without accountability. And if we can't pay, these same. 

[00:56:52]   
 Services without ever showing us actual prices, stifling competition, overcharging without accountability. And if we can't pay, these same. 

[00:57:01]  Donald Trump 
 Contracts allowed them to take everything we own, creating so much fear that millions and millions of Americans refuse to enter. 

[00:57:01]   
 Contracts allowed them to take everything we own, creating so much fear that millions and millions of Americans refuse to enter. 

[00:57:08]  Theo Von 
 A hospital, putting our health and our lives at stake. This is an american humanitarian crisis. We love our nurses, and we need our doctors. But hospitals and insurance, rigging a system to make profits off of people that's in struggle is unforgivable. We demand prices and transparency in health care. 

[00:57:08]   
 A hospital, putting our health and our lives at stake. This is an american humanitarian crisis. We love our nurses, and we need our doctors. But hospitals and insurance, rigging a system to make profits off of people that's in struggle is unforgivable. We demand prices and transparency in health care. 

[00:57:29]  Donald Trump 
 Power to the patients. 

[00:57:29]   
 Power to the patients.