# Donald Trump and Theo Von on This Past Weekend | August 20, 2024

Auto-transcribed by https://aliceapp.ai on Wednesday, 21 Aug 2024.
Synced media and text playback available on this page: https://aliceapp.ai/recordings/6HPkoO1_fd8wEYt4nByGixmeKN7bTF5A

* Words       :  11,072
* Duration    :  00:57:33
* Recorded on :  Unknown date
* Uploaded on :  2024-08-21 05:53:15 UTC
* At          :  Unknown location
* Using       :  Uploaded to aliceapp.ai

## Speakers:
* Theo Von - 43.31%
* Donald Trump - 56.69%
---------------------------- 

Theo Von [00:00:00]
I have some tour days to tell you about. I'll be in Las Vegas, Nevada over Labor Day weekend. If you're going to be there, then I will, too. I'll be in Bend, Oregon Spokane, Washington Portland, Oregon Vancouver in the Canada, Oklahoma City, North Little Rock, Springfield, Missouri Kansas City, Missouri Sioux Falls, La Crosse, Green Bay Moline, Lafayette, Louisiana, and Beaumont, Texas. 

Theo Von [00:00:32]
All tickets through theovon.com tour. And thank you so much for your support. I can't thank you enough. You know, my 9th grade civics teacher, Barbara Olinger, would be tickled to know that one of her students is getting to sit down with a president today. So I just want to speak her name. She taught me to care about our country, and I still do. 

Theo Von [00:01:03]
Today's guest is the 45th president of the United States of America, and he's currently running for president on the republican ticket. He's been an entrepreneur, a businessman, a television personality. We sat down at his club in Bedminster, New Jersey, and we want to thank the crew there for helping us make the production happen. 

Theo Von [00:01:28]
He's one of the most famous people on earth, and I'm grateful for this chance to learn more about the man behind the headlines. Today's guest is Donald Trump. Shine that light on me. 

Donald Trump [00:01:44]
I'll sit. 

Theo Von [00:01:45]
And tell you my story. 

Donald Trump [00:01:49]
Shine on. 

Theo Von [00:01:51]
Me and I will find a. 

Donald Trump [00:02:07]
But your thing is going really great. My son's a big fan of yours. Baron? 

Theo Von [00:02:10]
Really? Baron is? 

Donald Trump [00:02:11]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:02:11]
Oh, nice. He just graduated high school, right? 

Donald Trump [00:02:13]
That's right. He just said he knows you very well. He said, dad, he's big. 

Theo Von [00:02:17]
Wow. 

Donald Trump [00:02:18]
Big one. 

Theo Von [00:02:19]
That's cool. 

Donald Trump [00:02:20]
Well, that's where it is nowadays, right? 

Theo Von [00:02:22]
Yeah. Well, it's interesting, you know? Yeah. I can't believe that we're able to get platforms. I started in my kitchen and then. Yeah. Just evolved out of there. 

Donald Trump [00:02:31]
That's fantastic. 

Theo Von [00:02:32]
I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. What, um, does. 

Donald Trump [00:02:34]
Baron, please, do you want to start? You go ahead. 

Theo Von [00:02:36]
Yeah, we're good. Are we rolling? 

Donald Trump [00:02:37]
Yeah, sure. 

Theo Von [00:02:38]
We're good. Yeah. Does Baron play sports or anything? 

Donald Trump [00:02:42]
He does. He plays golf and different sports. Soccer. Loves soccer. Very good at soccer. He's a good athlete, Baron. 

Theo Von [00:02:51]
Yeah. Is he going to go? Has he already picked to college or. 

Donald Trump [00:02:54]
No, he has, and he's getting set to go in the fall. Good college. A very good one. And he was always a very good student. He's smart. Smart guy. 

Theo Von [00:03:04]
Which one of. Yeah, like, which one of your kids. Like, yeah. What's something you admire about each one of your sons? 

Donald Trump [00:03:10]
Well, Don is a hunter. He's a great, great hunter and knows everything about that world and guns and all. He was the first one that said, dad, boyden, you got lucky, because I didn't realize that 130 yards is actually very close in that parlance. And he said, you got lucky. He knew immediately when he saw that, he said, it's incredible because that's considered. 

Theo Von [00:03:37]
A pretty close distance from how far the shooter was. 

Donald Trump [00:03:39]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:03:40]
Oh, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:03:40]
The guy wasn't a bad shooter, supposedly. You know, he was a very disturbed guy, but he wasn't a bad shooter. Eric, likewise, he loves the business. He loves real estate, also very much of a hunter and understands a lot of things about that. They were sort of as young guys, they were with their grandfather, and he would take them hunting in Czechoslovakia, and somehow they developed very well. 

Theo Von [00:04:06]
Czechoslovakia. 

Donald Trump [00:04:07]
Can you imagine? 

Theo Von [00:04:08]
It's a lot of letters, even. 

Donald Trump [00:04:09]
That's a long time. That's a name you don't hear too much anymore. But it was, I'd need a scope. 

Theo Von [00:04:14]
Just to get through the spelling of that word. 

Donald Trump [00:04:16]
A lot of people. 

Theo Von [00:04:16]
A lot of people. 

Donald Trump [00:04:18]
But. So he'd go, they'd spend time in Europe, and they'd do that. That's where he learned a lot about both of them. Really good. 

Theo Von [00:04:26]
With your dad. 

Donald Trump [00:04:26]
They would go, no grandfather. Actually, they had a grandfather who was a wonderful outdoorsman and athlete, and during the summer, he'd take them out into the woods, and they'd go hunting and lots of things. And they loved it. They got to love it. And that's Don and that's Eriche. 

Theo Von [00:04:45]
Yeah, they're funny. 

Donald Trump [00:04:46]
Oh, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:04:47]
They have a good sense of humor, too. Like, whenever I see them at UFC, it's like, yeah, I just, like, the first time I was nervous, I think. And then after that, when I've seen them, it's like, it's fun to kind of cut up with a little bit. 

Donald Trump [00:04:58]
Well, they're good. They're good guys, and they really, they get along great with the rest of the family. We all get along great. We have a good family, and. But I love you. I see you talk about a great guy. How about Dana White? 

Theo Von [00:05:11]
Good job. 

Donald Trump [00:05:12]
He does, right? 

Theo Von [00:05:12]
Yeah. I want to thank Dana, too, for helping get us set up together. Yeah. I like Danny. He doesn't waste words. He doesn't waste time. He likes to, I think, be efficient, and he likes, he has seems like a strong sense of integrity for himself. 

Donald Trump [00:05:31]
Nobody like him, actually. It's, you know, there's an expression that everybody is replaceable. Not Dana. Nobody could do what he does. And he's made that sport into a big monster sport, and it's interesting and we go there and we enjoy it. Go with him. Sometimes we do walk ons with Dana and place sort of likes it. 

Theo Von [00:05:50]
Oh, yeah, I've been there. 

Donald Trump [00:05:51]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:05:52]
But I was in behind you in one, one video. I'm sure the dogs here will pull it up, but, yeah, those are some of my favorite. Those are some of my favorite things ever. It became, UFC became my favorite sport during the pandemic because Dana was brave enough to stay open. You know, he was it. 

Donald Trump [00:06:08]
He was the whole ballgame. He was the only sport, and he opened up in arenas with nothing other than very good fighters. 

Theo Von [00:06:16]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:06:16]
And they would be fighting. He had some of the best fights during the pandemic. 

Theo Von [00:06:20]
Yeah. But he was exceptional. There it is right there. See, look, there you are. And I'm right behind you there clapping with that hat. 

Donald Trump [00:06:27]
Great. That's right. The white guy in the hat is right. That's great. 

Theo Von [00:06:30]
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of us there, but I was one of them for sure. Yeah. See, that's me right there. 

Donald Trump [00:06:34]
Good sport, isn't it, huh? 

Theo Von [00:06:35]
Yeah. I'm a Dustin Poirier fan, so. 

Donald Trump [00:06:37]
Oh, he's great. He was. Boy, I tell you, he's a warrior. That last fight he had, whether you like it or not, he is a warrior. 

Theo Von [00:06:44]
Yeah. Yeah. It felt like he didn't get the. He didn't get the victory, but it didn't feel like he lost. 

Donald Trump [00:06:48]
No, he didn't lose that fight. He really, the man he was fighting was tough. He was tough and didn't expect that same fight, but he oftentimes will. He makes people suffer. There's no question about it. No, he's all. He's all. He's a pro. He's a professional. 

Theo Von [00:07:05]
He's all heart. He's from Louisiana. That's why I'm. 

Donald Trump [00:07:07]
As that fight went along, he just got stronger and stronger and he was getting pounded, and he was going to be choked out about four different times, and he just wouldn't let it happen. No. You say hello to him. He's good. 

Theo Von [00:07:18]
Yeah, I'll make sure to. 

Donald Trump [00:07:20]
He's a really great fighter there. 

Theo Von [00:07:21]
And he cooks Thanksgiving dinner every year. 

Donald Trump [00:07:23]
Oh, wow. Maybe I'll have to go sometime. 

Theo Von [00:07:25]
Oh, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:07:26]
I mean, he must do good food. 

Theo Von [00:07:27]
He does. Yeah, he does some good stuff over there. Yeah. What was the first, do you remember, like, the first fight that you ever went to, whether it was UFC or boxing or anything? 

Donald Trump [00:07:35]
Yeah, I do. It was Joe Fraziere, Muhammad Ali in Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think it was the first fight I went to. I always liked the boxing. 

Donald Trump [00:07:35]
Yeah, I do. It was Joe Fraziere, Muhammad Ali in Madison Square Garden many, many years ago. And I think it was the first fight I went to. I always liked the boxing. 

Theo Von [00:07:49]
How old were you? Remember? 

Theo Von [00:07:49]
How old were you? Remember? 

Donald Trump [00:07:50]
Oh, boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago. But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated. Mohammed became a friend of mine. So did Joe Jolton. Joe, he was. They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I think they had, like, many heart attacks that night. 

Donald Trump [00:07:50]
Oh, boy. I don't know. You can deduct it from what I am now, but it was a long time ago. But they were two undefeated fighters. They were both undefeated. Mohammed became a friend of mine. So did Joe Jolton. Joe, he was. They were two great fighters. That fight was incredible. I think they had, like, many heart attacks that night. 

Donald Trump [00:08:10]
Literally. Heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC, and there was no competition really. It was it. And so you had two guys. Remember that Mohammed wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. 

Donald Trump [00:08:10]
Literally. Heart attacks in Madison Square Garden. I think it was Madison Square Garden. And the fight was so unbelievable. Two undefeated heavyweight champions of the world. There was no UFC, and there was no competition really. It was it. And so you had two guys. Remember that Mohammed wasn't allowed to fight because of lots of different things. 

Donald Trump [00:08:33]
He was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very, very. 

Donald Trump [00:08:33]
He was a terrific guy. Both terrific guys. Very, very. 

Theo Von [00:08:36]
And they finally made it happen. They finally made it happen. 

Theo Von [00:08:36]
And they finally made it happen. They finally made it happen. 

Donald Trump [00:08:37]
They made it happen. So they had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting. 

Donald Trump [00:08:37]
They made it happen. So they had two undefeated heavyweight champions fighting. 

Theo Von [00:08:40]
And who took you to the fight, you remember? 

Theo Von [00:08:40]
And who took you to the fight, you remember? 

Donald Trump [00:08:42]
I went with my father and my brother, Robert, and it was just. I don't know, I must have been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments. But literally, there were, like, many heart attacks in the arena. 

Donald Trump [00:08:42]
I went with my father and my brother, Robert, and it was just. I don't know, I must have been very young. It was a long time ago, but you would never forget it. That was one of those moments. But literally, there were, like, many heart attacks in the arena. 

Theo Von [00:08:59]
If people having too much fun or what do you think is drugs? 

Theo Von [00:08:59]
If people having too much fun or what do you think is drugs? 

Donald Trump [00:09:02]
Heart attacks. Because it was such a crazy event. It was so. The people were just. I know a friend of mine, the father, he went. He had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out early, and I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting. 

Donald Trump [00:09:02]
Heart attacks. Because it was such a crazy event. It was so. The people were just. I know a friend of mine, the father, he went. He had a bad heart attack. Literally. They took him out. They were taking people out early, and I don't hear that anymore. I mean, there were other exciting sporting. 

Donald Trump [00:09:19]
But I don't think there's ever been. I don't know. I guess that has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight. But it was a very exciting time. 

Donald Trump [00:09:19]
But I don't think there's ever been. I don't know. I guess that has. But you would think Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, their first fight. But it was a very exciting time. 

Theo Von [00:09:29]
Yeah. And just people being, I guess. Yeah. Sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think? Like, you think it was that people were just so excited. 

Theo Von [00:09:29]
Yeah. And just people being, I guess. Yeah. Sometimes our systems aren't ready to handle the amount of excitement that's going on, you know? Like, I think, like, yeah, maybe people just couldn't even handle so much joy. You think? Like, you think it was that people were just so excited. 

Donald Trump [00:09:42]
They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had. I guess they do it. Maybe super bowls or something. 

Donald Trump [00:09:42]
They had heart attacks. I mean, they just had. I guess they do it. Maybe super bowls or something. 

Theo Von [00:09:48]
Oh, people have heart attacks. Eating a thick soup, you know, so it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like, that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out of. 

Theo Von [00:09:48]
Oh, people have heart attacks. Eating a thick soup, you know, so it's like, I'm not surprised that something so awesome like, that would make your heart be like, yeah, I'm out of. 

Donald Trump [00:09:57]
Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, I'm sure it happens. Just that one. But we had an exciting event the other night with Elon Elon Musk and me, I listened. We had a pretty big audience for that one, I can tell you. 

Donald Trump [00:09:57]
Yeah, but I never hear of it, you know, I'm sure it happens. Just that one. But we had an exciting event the other night with Elon Elon Musk and me, I listened. We had a pretty big audience for that one, I can tell you. 

Theo Von [00:10:10]
Yeah, I listened for probably about, like, 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was. I think the tough part was just like the. Just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know? 

Theo Von [00:10:10]
Yeah, I listened for probably about, like, 20 minutes. I thought it was cool. It was. I think the tough part was just like the. Just like, it would have been neat if you guys could have been in the same spot, you know? 

Donald Trump [00:10:20]
But I still heard the audio was great. And actually, they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape. 

Donald Trump [00:10:20]
But I still heard the audio was great. And actually, they put out a clear tape of it because they had clear tape. 

Theo Von [00:10:25]
Oh, nice. 

Theo Von [00:10:25]
Oh, nice. 

Donald Trump [00:10:26]
They had so many millions and millions of people watching, like, record numbers of people, and I'm trying to figure out, we're on a cell phone, or I was, and, you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other. But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. 

Donald Trump [00:10:26]
They had so many millions and millions of people watching, like, record numbers of people, and I'm trying to figure out, we're on a cell phone, or I was, and, you know, that's a lot of people coming into a cell phone one way or the other. But I heard some people had a problem with the audio. 

Donald Trump [00:10:43]
I don't know. I don't do that thing, you know, that was done. And we had a great conversation. It was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it. But I sounded. I think I sounded. Somebody said your voice was distorted or something. 

Donald Trump [00:10:43]
I don't know. I don't do that thing, you know, that was done. And we had a great conversation. It was for 2 hours and 15 minutes. They just put out a clear tape of it, a perfect tape of it. But I sounded. I think I sounded. Somebody said your voice was distorted or something. 

Donald Trump [00:11:01]
And, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio. But I would have. I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there, but when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then. 

Donald Trump [00:11:01]
And, you know, I guess it happens. Look, it was such a big thing, such a big audio. But I would have. I would have loved to have seen the clear tape originally. They put it out right after the show. So now it's a clear tape where a perfect tape done there, but when it goes through different phone systems and everything else, you think if we were together, that doesn't happen then. 

Donald Trump [00:11:21]
Cause I think his voice was more clear than. 

Donald Trump [00:11:21]
Cause I think his voice was more clear than. 

Theo Von [00:11:24]
Yeah, maybe because he was the one who was, like, initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about how all that works, but, yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I. Yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like, the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion, basically. 

Theo Von [00:11:24]
Yeah, maybe because he was the one who was, like, initiating the call. I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure about how all that works, but, yeah, I know that in post, a lot of times they can tighten things up and make it better. You know, I. Yeah, it's amazing how Elon, like, the cost to have really have your own voice in the world is $44 billion, basically. 

Theo Von [00:11:43]
Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know, I'm saying he has his own. Like, he has his own channel and. 

Theo Von [00:11:43]
Well, if you want to have your voice, like, you know, I'm saying he has his own. Like, he has his own channel and. 

Donald Trump [00:11:49]
He does what he wants to do, and he's a fantastic guy, and he's a brilliant person, and the country should be very proud of him, actually. I have truth, which has been very successful. 

Donald Trump [00:11:49]
He does what he wants to do, and he's a fantastic guy, and he's a brilliant person, and the country should be very proud of him, actually. I have truth, which has been very successful. 

Theo Von [00:12:00]
Truth social. 

Theo Von [00:12:00]
Truth social. 

Donald Trump [00:12:00]
You mean truth social? Yeah. And that's been very successful in getting my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram. I was on all of it, and I was on Facebook. And when you added it up, I had. I was told by Zuckerberg and others it was like record setting type of numbers. 

Donald Trump [00:12:00]
You mean truth social? Yeah. And that's been very successful in getting my voice out. I needed a voice because, you know, I was on Twitter and I was on Instagram. I was on all of it, and I was on Facebook. And when you added it up, I had. I was told by Zuckerberg and others it was like record setting type of numbers. 

Donald Trump [00:12:24]
And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled. 

Donald Trump [00:12:24]
And then one day I didn't have anything because they canceled. I mean, they canceled. 

Theo Von [00:12:28]
There's such a collusion there, right? 

Theo Von [00:12:28]
There's such a collusion there, right? 

Donald Trump [00:12:29]
Yeah, it was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. 

Donald Trump [00:12:29]
Yeah, it was, it was a pretty bad thing. And so I had nothing. So after about a month, you know, I have a lot of things to say. And after about a month, I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to just go out and put out an old public relations statement. 

Donald Trump [00:12:42]
You, you remember that? And although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days, you'd put out a statement, and I did. And it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up. And I opened truth, and truth has become terrific, actually, for me. I really want, just as a platform, I mean, it's more important than anything else. 

Donald Trump [00:12:42]
You, you remember that? And although you're a little young to see it, but in the old days, you'd put out a statement, and I did. And it was just gobbled up. It was really gobbled up. And I opened truth, and truth has become terrific, actually, for me. I really want, just as a platform, I mean, it's more important than anything else. 

Donald Trump [00:13:00]
And at least you have your voice. 

Donald Trump [00:13:00]
And at least you have your voice. 

Theo Von [00:13:01]
Then you can say what you want to say. 

Theo Von [00:13:01]
Then you can say what you want to say. 

Donald Trump [00:13:03]
My voice back. Yeah. I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now I haven't been too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it. And. But I was much higher than that when I was like, all these older people. 

Donald Trump [00:13:03]
My voice back. Yeah. I had hundreds of millions of people. Even now I haven't been too active on X, but I have, I guess, 90 some odd million people on it. And. But I was much higher than that when I was like, all these older people. 

Theo Von [00:13:18]
I don't even know how many people there are. 

Theo Von [00:13:18]
I don't even know how many people there are. 

Donald Trump [00:13:20]
Yeah, it's, I mean, it's been. But I love the job he's done. And he's brought a certain voice back into, into play. 

Donald Trump [00:13:20]
Yeah, it's, I mean, it's been. But I love the job he's done. And he's brought a certain voice back into, into play. 

Theo Von [00:13:27]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:13:27]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:13:27]
The previous people were terrible. Terrible. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged. They'd put up a red flag. Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged. 

Donald Trump [00:13:27]
The previous people were terrible. Terrible. Every time you do a thing, you'd be red flagged. They'd put up a red flag. Every statement you made, you'd be red flagged. 

Theo Von [00:13:35]
Yeah, they just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever. 

Theo Von [00:13:35]
Yeah, they just, it's almost like, yeah, it's like when you have a babysitter and they don't want to have any fun or whatever. 

Donald Trump [00:13:41]
Yeah. Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:13:41]
Yeah. Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:13:41]
That's kind of the vibe I got when you. Yeah, I see, yeah. Cause I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with, like, David spade sometimes as a close friend of mine and, you know, see you coming with Kid Rock and. 

Theo Von [00:13:41]
That's kind of the vibe I got when you. Yeah, I see, yeah. Cause I see you at the, at the fights. I see you. Sometimes you'll sit right by Dana and sometimes I'll sit. Yeah. Like me, I'll go with, like, David spade sometimes as a close friend of mine and, you know, see you coming with Kid Rock and. 

Theo Von [00:13:57]
Yeah, and you don't drink at the fight. 

Theo Von [00:13:57]
Yeah, and you don't drink at the fight. 

Donald Trump [00:13:59]
No, kid Rock is. He's terrific. He came to the convention. He knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular. Very popular. 

Donald Trump [00:13:59]
No, kid Rock is. He's terrific. He came to the convention. He knocked him. He knocked everybody out. He was, he's a great guy. He's just a great guy. He's, he's popular. Very popular. 

Theo Von [00:14:10]
Oh, he's so. He's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent, too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's a legend. 

Theo Von [00:14:10]
Oh, he's so. He's definitely, he's a real dirt serpent, too, dude. He's a freaking legend, you know? He's a legend. 

Donald Trump [00:14:17]
He is a legend. I guess in a true sense. 

Donald Trump [00:14:17]
He is a legend. I guess in a true sense. 

Theo Von [00:14:20]
Oh, 100%. People love him, dude, look at him. I went to his show not long ago somewhere, and people. I think some guy had a heart attack there, too, but it was, like, funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes. 

Theo Von [00:14:20]
Oh, 100%. People love him, dude, look at him. I went to his show not long ago somewhere, and people. I think some guy had a heart attack there, too, but it was, like, funnel cake related, I think, type of vibes. 

Donald Trump [00:14:34]
He draws big crowds. Actually. It's amazing. I saw one. He was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff, but he's really. Forget about that. I call him Bob. His name. Bob, right. It's Bob. Kid rock, but it's Bob. But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? 

Donald Trump [00:14:34]
He draws big crowds. Actually. It's amazing. I saw one. He was out someplace recently at 80,000 people. He's big stuff, but he's really. Forget about that. I call him Bob. His name. Bob, right. It's Bob. Kid rock, but it's Bob. But he's a really good guy. He's a cool cat, right? 

Theo Von [00:14:54]
Oh, yeah. I mean, I live in natural, right. When I got in the town, he. Yeah, he hit me up one night and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party this week, and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know, and it was nice of him. And since then, we've done a lot of fun stuff together. 

Theo Von [00:14:54]
Oh, yeah. I mean, I live in natural, right. When I got in the town, he. Yeah, he hit me up one night and was like, hey, man, I'm having a birthday party this week, and you should come. And I didn't even know him, you know, and it was nice of him. And since then, we've done a lot of fun stuff together. 

Theo Von [00:15:07]
His brother's missing a leg. He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie the lamp? Like, from, like, a Christmas story or whatever? 

Theo Von [00:15:07]
His brother's missing a leg. He looks like the lamp. Have you ever seen that movie the lamp? Like, from, like, a Christmas story or whatever? 

Donald Trump [00:15:14]
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but he's fantastic. The family. The father I knew very well, he just passed away, and it was tough for him. Well, you knew his dad for the brother. I did, and he was. He was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob, and I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. 

Donald Trump [00:15:14]
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, but he's fantastic. The family. The father I knew very well, he just passed away, and it was tough for him. Well, you knew his dad for the brother. I did, and he was. He was fantastic. I got to know him through knowing Bob, and I tell you what, it's just a fantastic family. 

Donald Trump [00:15:31]
The whole family. 

Donald Trump [00:15:31]
The whole family. 

Theo Von [00:15:32]
No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there. 

Theo Von [00:15:32]
No, I love Bob. He and I joke around together a lot. We've spent a lot of time together. Look at his brother right there. 

Donald Trump [00:15:37]
That's right. And you know what? He plays golf, and he plays well. He. He hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We were in the 17th hole. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really? Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. 

Donald Trump [00:15:37]
That's right. And you know what? He plays golf, and he plays well. He. He hit a perfect drive with me. I said, do you play? We were in the 17th hole. I said, do you play? He goes, yes. I said, oh, really? Do you want to hit a shot? And he said, okay. 

Donald Trump [00:15:55]
And he got up. It was very hard for him to put the. I mean, it was really a tough situation because he has to get the ball in the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean, he goes to the ground, and he did it. 

Donald Trump [00:15:55]
And he got up. It was very hard for him to put the. I mean, it was really a tough situation because he has to get the ball in the ground and the tee and everything else. Nobody did it for him. And he did it. I mean, he goes to the ground, and he did it. 

Donald Trump [00:16:08]
Gets up. He swung, and I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience, probably, but that's, like, a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again. 

Donald Trump [00:16:08]
Gets up. He swung, and I'm a good golfer. He had a perfect shot out to the right with a little hook. Nobody knows what that means in your audience, probably, but that's, like, a perfect shot. And I said, that is perfect. He said, I'll do it again. I said, don't do it again. 

Donald Trump [00:16:25]
Cause you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's great. 

Donald Trump [00:16:25]
Cause you'll never be able to hit a shot that good. And it was really amazing. He's great. 

Theo Von [00:16:31]
And Bob really do it again, too. 

Theo Von [00:16:31]
And Bob really do it again, too. 

Donald Trump [00:16:33]
He's a repeat. 

Donald Trump [00:16:33]
He's a repeat. 

Theo Von [00:16:34]
Yeah, they're great. 

Theo Von [00:16:34]
Yeah, they're great. 

Donald Trump [00:16:34]
They really have an amazing family. 

Donald Trump [00:16:34]
They really have an amazing family. 

Theo Von [00:16:36]
Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him, and then like, a few days later, he'll send a nice note, or he'll send like a photo, like a frame photo, and just say, hey, man, I had a nice time. 

Theo Von [00:16:36]
Bob's great. I've been to parties at his house. You know, one thing that's really nice about him is I'll go do something with him, and then like, a few days later, he'll send a nice note, or he'll send like a photo, like a frame photo, and just say, hey, man, I had a nice time. 

Theo Von [00:16:49]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke. Right? 

Theo Von [00:16:49]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I noticed at the events you don't drink and you don't drink or smoke. Right? 

Donald Trump [00:16:54]
I don't drink or smoke. 

Donald Trump [00:16:54]
I don't drink or smoke. 

Theo Von [00:16:55]
You never have? 

Theo Von [00:16:55]
You never have? 

Donald Trump [00:16:56]
No, I never have. I had a great brother who taught me a lesson, don't drink. Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy. 

Donald Trump [00:16:56]
No, I never have. I had a great brother who taught me a lesson, don't drink. Don't drink. And he said, don't smoke. He smoked and he drank and he was a great guy. He was a handsome, very handsome guy. 

Theo Von [00:17:10]
Is he older? He was older. 

Theo Von [00:17:10]
Is he older? He was older. 

Donald Trump [00:17:11]
Quite a bit older, yeah. He would. He had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But, you know, I tell people, no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes. I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say, no drugs, no drinking, no smoke. And it was tough. Well, he'd always tell me, he'd say never. 

Donald Trump [00:17:11]
Quite a bit older, yeah. He would. He had a problem with alcohol and smoke a lot. But, you know, I tell people, no drugs, no drinking, no cigarettes. I tell that to my kids all the time. I'd say, no drugs, no drinking, no smoke. And it was tough. Well, he'd always tell me, he'd say never. 

Donald Trump [00:17:31]
So he was really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway. 

Donald Trump [00:17:31]
So he was really old enough that you would look up to somebody and I'd look up to him anyway. 

Theo Von [00:17:40]
Did you admire him? 

Theo Von [00:17:40]
Did you admire him? 

Donald Trump [00:17:41]
Yeah, I admired a lot. So much about him. He had so much going. Had to look unbelievable personality. Like an incredible personality. 

Donald Trump [00:17:41]
Yeah, I admired a lot. So much about him. He had so much going. Had to look unbelievable personality. Like an incredible personality. 

Theo Von [00:17:51]
What was his name? Donald. 

Theo Von [00:17:51]
What was his name? Donald. 

Donald Trump [00:17:52]
His name was Fred. Fred Trump. And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's. And, you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I don't know if you've ever heard that. 

Donald Trump [00:17:52]
His name was Fred. Fred Trump. And he had a problem with alcohol. He got addicted to it because it's. And, you know, they say alcohol is tougher than drugs to get off of. I don't know if you've ever heard that. 

Theo Von [00:18:06]
Yeah, I'm in recovery, actually. I've been in. I've been in recovery, so, like, most of the last ten years, from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol, drugs. 

Theo Von [00:18:06]
Yeah, I'm in recovery, actually. I've been in. I've been in recovery, so, like, most of the last ten years, from alcohol, from drugs and alcohol, drugs. 

Donald Trump [00:18:14]
So which is worse? 

Donald Trump [00:18:14]
So which is worse? 

Theo Von [00:18:16]
For me, drugs is the problem, but if I have a drink, then I. It's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it. 

Theo Von [00:18:16]
For me, drugs is the problem, but if I have a drink, then I. It's tougher for me to prevent myself from getting it. 

Donald Trump [00:18:22]
It sets off a chain. 

Donald Trump [00:18:22]
It sets off a chain. 

Theo Von [00:18:23]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:18:23]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:18:23]
But is. Which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs, if that makes sense. I don't know. 

Donald Trump [00:18:23]
But is. Which is harder to quit? I've heard alcohol is harder to quit than drugs, if that makes sense. I don't know. 

Theo Von [00:18:30]
Oh, yeah. I mean, I can only imagine. Cause it's probably more readily available. 

Theo Von [00:18:30]
Oh, yeah. I mean, I can only imagine. Cause it's probably more readily available. 

Donald Trump [00:18:33]
More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all. 

Donald Trump [00:18:33]
More readily. Well, and it's social and you're sitting and everyone's drinking and all. 

Theo Von [00:18:37]
Yeah. Rarely do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating, like, you know, xanaxes or something, you know, for appetizers. Usually people are having, like, a mint, you know, a mint julep or something a little fancy or Negroni I just learned about. 

Theo Von [00:18:37]
Yeah. Rarely do you go to a dinner and everybody's eating, like, you know, xanaxes or something, you know, for appetizers. Usually people are having, like, a mint, you know, a mint julep or something a little fancy or Negroni I just learned about. 

Donald Trump [00:18:48]
Right. 

Donald Trump [00:18:48]
Right. 

Theo Von [00:18:49]
But, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:18:49]
But, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:18:50]
So you have a problem with that, then? 

Donald Trump [00:18:50]
So you have a problem with that, then? 

Theo Von [00:18:52]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:18:52]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:18:52]
Oh, wow. 

Donald Trump [00:18:52]
Oh, wow. 

Theo Von [00:18:53]
It's been in my family. My family. It's like, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:18:53]
It's been in my family. My family. It's like, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:18:57]
Can you stay away from it? 

Donald Trump [00:18:57]
Can you stay away from it? 

Theo Von [00:18:59]
Yeah, I've done a good job. I mean, I. 

Theo Von [00:18:59]
Yeah, I've done a good job. I mean, I. 

Donald Trump [00:19:00]
How long have you been off? 

Donald Trump [00:19:00]
How long have you been off? 

Theo Von [00:19:01]
I go to recovery meetings. I've been off, most recently, two. A little over two years. 

Theo Von [00:19:01]
I go to recovery meetings. I've been off, most recently, two. A little over two years. 

Donald Trump [00:19:06]
Do you ever go back on? 

Donald Trump [00:19:06]
Do you ever go back on? 

Theo Von [00:19:07]
Yeah, I've had stints where I go back on. And, um. 

Theo Von [00:19:07]
Yeah, I've had stints where I go back on. And, um. 

Donald Trump [00:19:10]
And. And you don't control it? 

Donald Trump [00:19:10]
And. And you don't control it? 

Theo Von [00:19:11]
Uh, it's tough. It gets. It goes down. So you think it's gonna be. 

Theo Von [00:19:11]
Uh, it's tough. It gets. It goes down. So you think it's gonna be. 

Donald Trump [00:19:15]
You think you're controlling. Oh. 

Donald Trump [00:19:15]
You think you're controlling. Oh. 

Theo Von [00:19:17]
And then you're. Damn. Yeah. You're doing go kart and racing with hookers and stuff. 

Theo Von [00:19:17]
And then you're. Damn. Yeah. You're doing go kart and racing with hookers and stuff. 

Donald Trump [00:19:21]
It gets bad not to do it. 

Donald Trump [00:19:21]
It gets bad not to do it. 

Theo Von [00:19:22]
Right, right. So then in the end, you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see, like, with your brother? Did you. Could you see it or anything? 

Theo Von [00:19:22]
Right, right. So then in the end, you're like, I have to not do it. Did you see, like, with your brother? Did you. Could you see it or anything? 

Donald Trump [00:19:29]
Like, man, I was amazed because he had so much going. He had everything going. I think he probably had happened in college, at a fraternity, maybe, or, I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened, and all of a sudden, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately. And then the family would see it and start to notice it. 

Donald Trump [00:19:29]
Like, man, I was amazed because he had so much going. He had everything going. I think he probably had happened in college, at a fraternity, maybe, or, I don't know, somewhere along the line it happened, and all of a sudden, this is not unique. This is a very common story, unfortunately. And then the family would see it and start to notice it. 

Donald Trump [00:19:56]
It didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of. I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out, and it had bad moments, and. But his body was unbelievably strong that it could. That it could withstand this. 

Donald Trump [00:19:56]
It didn't get better. It didn't get better. I was amazed, you know, he lived for so long in bad conditions, you know, in terms of. I was amazed that his body could hold out. It held out, and it had bad moments, and. But his body was unbelievably strong that it could. That it could withstand this. 

Theo Von [00:20:14]
Yeah. It's a body. Your body's just so resilient. Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him? 

Theo Von [00:20:14]
Yeah. It's a body. Your body's just so resilient. Do you remember the last time that you saw him or spent with him? 

Donald Trump [00:20:20]
I do, and I'm sorry to ask you about it. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation. 

Donald Trump [00:20:20]
I do, and I'm sorry to ask you about it. Well, you know, the reason it's good talking about it is it might help other people. If it helps one other person, it's worth the conversation. 

Theo Von [00:20:32]
We talked about that stuff a lot on our. On our podcast. 

Theo Von [00:20:32]
We talked about that stuff a lot on our. On our podcast. 

Donald Trump [00:20:34]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:20:34]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:20:35]
Yeah. A lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's like a. It's pretty kind of normal conversation. But, you know, the interesting thing is. 

Theo Von [00:20:35]
Yeah. A lot of our audience struggles or has struggled with alcoholism, addiction, intimacy disorders, all types of stuff, you know? So it's like a. It's pretty kind of normal conversation. But, you know, the interesting thing is. 

Donald Trump [00:20:49]
And I tell people, so I never had a cigarette, and I've never had a glass of alcohol, and my brother was incredible. He would tell me because he knew he had a problem, and he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking, because he did smoke a lot, which is, you know, not very healthy. 

Donald Trump [00:20:49]
And I tell people, so I never had a cigarette, and I've never had a glass of alcohol, and my brother was incredible. He would tell me because he knew he had a problem, and he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever smoke. He'd always add smoking, because he did smoke a lot, which is, you know, not very healthy. 

Donald Trump [00:21:07]
But he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink, because he knew he had this. 

Donald Trump [00:21:07]
But he'd say, don't ever drink. Don't ever drink. He'd tell me every time I said, don't ever drink, because he knew he had this. 

Theo Von [00:21:13]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:21:13]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:21:14]
Addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could conceivably be the type of personality that would have, like, you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. 

Donald Trump [00:21:14]
Addiction. And I never had a glass of alcohol. Never ever did I have a glass of alcohol because of him. And I would say that if I did drink, I could conceivably be the type of personality that would have, like, you, that would have a problem, but I never had. And the only thing I say to people is if too late for the people that you're talking about, but if you don't drink, you don't miss it. 

Donald Trump [00:21:37]
I mean, I don't even think about. 

Donald Trump [00:21:37]
I mean, I don't even think about. 

Theo Von [00:21:39]
Alcohol, or it's not a part of your world. 

Theo Von [00:21:39]
Alcohol, or it's not a part of your world. 

Donald Trump [00:21:42]
I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. I had a friend who went to the wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy. 

Donald Trump [00:21:42]
I don't think about cigarettes. I don't think about any of that. If you don't take drugs or if you don't have alcohol, it's real easy not to drink it. I had a friend who went to the wharton School of Finance with me. He was a very smart guy. 

Theo Von [00:21:57]
Where is it, wharton school. 

Theo Von [00:21:57]
Where is it, wharton school. 

Donald Trump [00:21:58]
That's in philadelphia. That's at penn. 

Donald Trump [00:21:58]
That's in philadelphia. That's at penn. 

Theo Von [00:22:01]
Rocky. 

Theo Von [00:22:01]
Rocky. 

Donald Trump [00:22:02]
Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And I. Part of the University of pennsylvania, the business school. 

Donald Trump [00:22:02]
Right. And it's a great, great school, great business school. And I. Part of the University of pennsylvania, the business school. 

Theo Von [00:22:09]
Oh, it's nice down there. 

Theo Von [00:22:09]
Oh, it's nice down there. 

Donald Trump [00:22:11]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:22:11]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:22:11]
My friend's brother went there or something. 

Theo Von [00:22:11]
My friend's brother went there or something. 

Donald Trump [00:22:13]
Well, we ate near there, and he was smart because it's a great school. But this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch, hated it, couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted. He felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. 

Donald Trump [00:22:13]
Well, we ate near there, and he was smart because it's a great school. But this person that I met, he hated the taste of scotch, hated it, couldn't stand it. But he insisted on having it because he wanted. He felt it was important to be able to drink. I said, no, just don't drink. 

Donald Trump [00:22:32]
He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic. 

Donald Trump [00:22:32]
He said, you know, to be successful in business, you have to sort of interact and you have to drink. And I said, don't do it. Anyway, he became an unbelievable alcoholic, uncontrollable alcoholic. 

Theo Von [00:22:44]
Oh, I thought he meant, like, the best. 

Theo Von [00:22:44]
Oh, I thought he meant, like, the best. 

Donald Trump [00:22:46]
Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, but he hated the taste of scotch, and he still couldn't live without it, literally. 

Donald Trump [00:22:46]
Yeah. And he died. He was a, you know, but he hated the taste of scotch, and he still couldn't live without it, literally. 

Theo Von [00:22:53]
Well, I think I notice a lot of, like, in the recovery rooms and stuff. It's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them, and so they could be, they take on, like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you spent with your brother? 

Theo Von [00:22:53]
Well, I think I notice a lot of, like, in the recovery rooms and stuff. It's a lot of people that have, they're missing something inside of them, and so they could be, they take on, like, you know, they want to try and fill it up with something else. Yeah. Do you remember the last time that you spent with your brother? 

Donald Trump [00:23:07]
I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him, or we lost him then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, where you thought you lost him, and then he got better, and it was amazing. I mean, he was certainly very strong in that sense of. 

Donald Trump [00:23:07]
I do. And he'd have periods where he'd get sick, very sick. And we thought we'd lose him, or we lost him then he'd get better. And that happened five or six times. I mean, where you thought you lost him, and then he got better, and it was amazing. I mean, he was certainly very strong in that sense of. 

Donald Trump [00:23:30]
And I just tell people, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink, and you're not gonna have a problem. Like, even you, if you didn't drink, you would never. But you probably, maybe wouldn't be successful like you are, you know, it's part of your story. Right. 

Donald Trump [00:23:30]
And I just tell people, it's so tragic. Don't drink. Just don't drink, and you're not gonna have a problem. Like, even you, if you didn't drink, you would never. But you probably, maybe wouldn't be successful like you are, you know, it's part of your story. Right. 

Theo Von [00:23:44]
It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen, probably. I think it's just too risky. 

Theo Von [00:23:44]
It's helped me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I don't know what would happen, probably. I think it's just too risky. 

Donald Trump [00:23:50]
It is risky. 

Donald Trump [00:23:50]
It is risky. 

Theo Von [00:23:51]
What's something that you miss about him? Or like that? Yeah, like, what's something that you miss about him, Freddy? 

Theo Von [00:23:51]
What's something that you miss about him? Or like that? Yeah, like, what's something that you miss about him, Freddy? 

Donald Trump [00:23:55]
Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem, and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem, and I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah, if I had that problem. And I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank. 

Donald Trump [00:23:55]
Well, he was wise in a sense. I mean, think of it. He's got this problem, and it was very important for him to convey to me not to have this problem, and I couldn't have been successful if I had that problem. Yeah, if I had that problem. And I think maybe I'm a personality type where I could have had the problem if I drank. 

Donald Trump [00:24:14]
But if you don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean, I don't miss. When I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that at all. 

Donald Trump [00:24:14]
But if you don't drink, you're never going to have it. I mean, I don't miss. When I see somebody light up a cigarette and just they're in heaven. I don't miss that at all. 

Theo Von [00:24:24]
It's weird. It's so Nate. It's very native american, isn't it? 

Theo Von [00:24:24]
It's weird. It's so Nate. It's very native american, isn't it? 

Donald Trump [00:24:27]
Crazy. 

Donald Trump [00:24:27]
Crazy. 

Theo Von [00:24:27]
Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of, like. They take the speed bumps for us, like, as younger brothers, so that we don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Does that. You know what I'm talking about? My brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. 

Theo Von [00:24:27]
Bizarre. And, you know, I think sometimes our older brothers, they kind of, like. They take the speed bumps for us, like, as younger brothers, so that we don't have to. You know what I'm saying? Does that. You know what I'm talking about? My brother went through a lot of stuff so that I didn't have to go through it. 

Theo Von [00:24:41]
And then I get to see him and learn. 

Theo Von [00:24:41]
And then I get to see him and learn. 

Donald Trump [00:24:42]
Is he okay now? 

Donald Trump [00:24:42]
Is he okay now? 

Theo Von [00:24:43]
Yeah, he's doing great now. Yeah, he's doing great now. But it's just. It's like. Yeah, that's one of the blessings, I think, of having an older brother. 

Theo Von [00:24:43]
Yeah, he's doing great now. Yeah, he's doing great now. But it's just. It's like. Yeah, that's one of the blessings, I think, of having an older brother. 

Donald Trump [00:24:50]
Well, you can learn through history, too. Even if it's not a brother. It's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic, or even just by reading about people, you can learn. 

Donald Trump [00:24:50]
Well, you can learn through history, too. Even if it's not a brother. It's by watching other people. I mean, you can see if you have a friend who's an alcoholic, or even just by reading about people, you can learn. 

Theo Von [00:25:00]
Oh, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:25:00]
Oh, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:25:00]
It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother, and I learned not to drink, and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes I probably would have drank, I think, you know, there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me, you. 

Donald Trump [00:25:00]
It doesn't necessarily have to be a brother, but in this case, it was very personal. It was a brother, and I learned not to drink, and I learned not to smoke cigarettes. Now, I don't know that I would have smoked cigarettes I probably would have drank, I think, you know, there's no reason not to drink, but I had a reason because he told me, you. 

Theo Von [00:25:17]
Know, just, that was it. 

Theo Von [00:25:17]
Know, just, that was it. 

Donald Trump [00:25:18]
Don't do it. Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:25:18]
Don't do it. Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:25:19]
Yeah. That was kind of a blessing then, huh? 

Theo Von [00:25:19]
Yeah. That was kind of a blessing then, huh? 

Donald Trump [00:25:21]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:25:21]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:25:22]
And where did you, did they, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him? 

Theo Von [00:25:22]
And where did you, did they, did you guys ever do anything fun together? Like one nice memory that you have with him? 

Donald Trump [00:25:29]
He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot. 

Donald Trump [00:25:29]
He had a great talent for flying. He was a pilot. 

Theo Von [00:25:33]
Oh, sweet. 

Theo Von [00:25:33]
Oh, sweet. 

Donald Trump [00:25:33]
And he loved it. 

Donald Trump [00:25:33]
And he loved it. 

Theo Von [00:25:34]
Did you ever fly with him? 

Theo Von [00:25:34]
Did you ever fly with him? 

Donald Trump [00:25:35]
I did. I flew with him. He was a great pilot and very talented. Other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly, and he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol, he had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up. 

Donald Trump [00:25:35]
I did. I flew with him. He was a great pilot and very talented. Other pilots would come to his house to study with him, watch him fly, and he was really talented that, but ultimately he had to give that because of the alcohol, he had to give that up, which was a hard thing for him to do, but he had to give that up. 

Theo Von [00:25:55]
Election day is coming up on November 5, and there's this really cool website, sendthevote.com, that makes it easy to register to vote. It's nonpartisan, which means they don't care who you're voting for. They just want to make sure you can vote. Head over to send the vote.com. they'll help you sign up, register, and even check if you're good to go. 

Theo Von [00:25:55]
Election day is coming up on November 5, and there's this really cool website, sendthevote.com, that makes it easy to register to vote. It's nonpartisan, which means they don't care who you're voting for. They just want to make sure you can vote. Head over to send the vote.com. they'll help you sign up, register, and even check if you're good to go. 

Theo Von [00:26:22]
I'll drop a link in the podcast description. Let's all get out there and cast our votes this November. Again, that is, send the vote.com dot s e n dash e dash o dash. E.com AI might be the most important new computer technology ever. It's storming every industry and literally billions of dollars are being invested. 

Theo Von [00:26:22]
I'll drop a link in the podcast description. Let's all get out there and cast our votes this November. Again, that is, send the vote.com dot s e n dash e dash o dash. E.com AI might be the most important new computer technology ever. It's storming every industry and literally billions of dollars are being invested. 

Theo Von [00:26:49]
So buckle up. The problem is that AI needs a lot of speed and processing power. So how do you compete with costs spiraling out of control? Well, it's time to upgrade to the next generation on the cloud. Oracle cloud infrastructure, or OCI. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. 

Theo Von [00:26:49]
So buckle up. The problem is that AI needs a lot of speed and processing power. So how do you compete with costs spiraling out of control? Well, it's time to upgrade to the next generation on the cloud. Oracle cloud infrastructure, or OCI. OCI is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. 

Theo Von [00:27:13]
OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds, offers one consistent price instead of variable regional pricing, and of course, nobody does data better than Oracle. So now you can train your AI models at twice the speed and less than half the cost of other clouds. If you want to do more and spend less, like Uber, eight times eight. 

Theo Von [00:27:13]
OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds, offers one consistent price instead of variable regional pricing, and of course, nobody does data better than Oracle. So now you can train your AI models at twice the speed and less than half the cost of other clouds. If you want to do more and spend less, like Uber, eight times eight. 

Theo Von [00:27:38]
And databricks mosaic, take a free test drive of oci@oracle.com. theo. That's oracle.com theo. Oracle.com theo. Yeah, it's crazy. That's the wildest thing to watch is people losing everything, you know? 

Theo Von [00:27:38]
And databricks mosaic, take a free test drive of oci@oracle.com. theo. That's oracle.com theo. Oracle.com theo. Yeah, it's crazy. That's the wildest thing to watch is people losing everything, you know? 

Donald Trump [00:27:58]
Yeah, no, they lose everything and many, many people. And yep, in those days, it wasn't drugs, it wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs. I don't even know whether even a factor. They happened pretty long time ago, but I think in those days, I don't think were drugs a factor. 

Donald Trump [00:27:58]
Yeah, no, they lose everything and many, many people. And yep, in those days, it wasn't drugs, it wasn't like, don't drink, don't take drugs. I don't think drugs. I don't even know whether even a factor. They happened pretty long time ago, but I think in those days, I don't think were drugs a factor. 

Donald Trump [00:28:15]
You go back 25 years ago. 

Donald Trump [00:28:15]
You go back 25 years ago. 

Theo Von [00:28:17]
Not like it is now. 

Theo Von [00:28:17]
Not like it is now. 

Donald Trump [00:28:18]
Well, certainly not like now. And. 

Donald Trump [00:28:18]
Well, certainly not like now. And. 

Theo Von [00:28:19]
Yeah. And that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like, um, alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even, like you're saying, like, in the past 2030 years in our country. Right. And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that, like, almost 600,000 people died. 

Theo Von [00:28:19]
Yeah. And that actually takes me into something else I wanted to talk about. Like, um, alcoholism and addiction is something that's really ramped up, even, like you're saying, like, in the past 2030 years in our country. Right. And during the opioid epidemic, they estimate that, like, almost 600,000 people died. 

Donald Trump [00:28:37]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:28:37]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:28:38]
And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust. All, you know, just people that lost a brother didn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. 

Theo Von [00:28:38]
And that doesn't even include the broken hearts and the deaths of families and circles of trust. All, you know, just people that lost a brother didn't even include the actual siblings, you know? And so the ripple effect of that is huge. And there's that Sackler family that pretty much got away with it. 

Theo Von [00:28:57]
You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist. But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get into office? 

Theo Von [00:28:57]
You know, they had a financial slap on the wrist. But we're one of the only countries that allows drug advertisements and pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. Like, what do you think are things that you can do to help curtail that when you get into office? 

Donald Trump [00:29:15]
So. Well, we did a great job. We had. 

Donald Trump [00:29:15]
So. Well, we did a great job. We had. 

Theo Von [00:29:17]
Does that make sense or not? 

Theo Von [00:29:17]
Does that make sense or not? 

Donald Trump [00:29:18]
It does make sense. We had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is fentanyl is probably the biggest opioid is bad. Opioids bad, too? I think that's bad because everyone thinks in many cases they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short, if you take it for like, two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. 

Donald Trump [00:29:18]
It does make sense. We had committees, blue ribbon committees in certain cases, but committees that would meet. The big problem we have is fentanyl is probably the biggest opioid is bad. Opioids bad, too? I think that's bad because everyone thinks in many cases they think they're going to do away with pain. And literally the time is so short, if you take it for like, two weeks, you're almost addicted to it. 

Donald Trump [00:29:48]
It's incredible. When you. 

Donald Trump [00:29:48]
It's incredible. When you. 

Theo Von [00:29:49]
Oh, the whole. Yeah, all of that is horrible, but. 

Theo Von [00:29:49]
Oh, the whole. Yeah, all of that is horrible, but. 

Donald Trump [00:29:51]
Why do we allow it? 

Donald Trump [00:29:51]
Why do we allow it? 

Theo Von [00:29:54]
No, I would just do cocaine. That was really. Yeah, so not just. 

Theo Von [00:29:54]
No, I would just do cocaine. That was really. Yeah, so not just. 

Donald Trump [00:29:58]
Yeah, that's. And it was down and dirty, right? 

Donald Trump [00:29:58]
Yeah, that's. And it was down and dirty, right? 

Theo Von [00:30:02]
Yeah. And this is. Yeah, this. I mean, it was. 

Theo Von [00:30:02]
Yeah. And this is. Yeah, this. I mean, it was. 

Donald Trump [00:30:03]
Yeah, but you don't anymore? 

Donald Trump [00:30:03]
Yeah, but you don't anymore? 

Theo Von [00:30:05]
No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing. 

Theo Von [00:30:05]
No, I don't do it anymore, man. And I'm not doing. 

Donald Trump [00:30:07]
Is it too much. Too much to handle? 

Donald Trump [00:30:07]
Is it too much. Too much to handle? 

Theo Von [00:30:09]
Some of this stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where it we were even getting it from in this country, but, yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something. 

Theo Von [00:30:09]
Some of this stuff started to get a real rattle in it, too. I don't know where it we were even getting it from in this country, but, yeah, it started to make me feel like I was a mechanic or something. 

Donald Trump [00:30:17]
So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part. 

Donald Trump [00:30:17]
So the thing you go back to then is alcohol for the most part. 

Theo Von [00:30:20]
Right? Yeah, but. Well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me. It'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink then I can do this. 

Theo Von [00:30:20]
Right? Yeah, but. Well, what I want probably is cocaine, but I know that if I have a drink, then it'll give me. It'll like, be like, okay, well, I had a drink then I can do this. 

Donald Trump [00:30:28]
Is cocaine a stronger up? 

Donald Trump [00:30:28]
Is cocaine a stronger up? 

Theo Von [00:30:32]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cocaine strong. 

Theo Von [00:30:32]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cocaine strong. 

Donald Trump [00:30:34]
So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. 

Donald Trump [00:30:34]
So you're way up with cocaine more than anything else you can think of. 

Theo Von [00:30:37]
Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? You'll be out on your own porch. You know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp. You're frickin and. 

Theo Von [00:30:37]
Cocaine will turn you into a damn owl, homie. You know what I'm saying? You'll be out on your own porch. You know, you'll, you'll be your own street lamp. You're frickin and. 

Donald Trump [00:30:46]
Is that a good feeling? While. It's a miserable feeling, but you do it anyway. 

Donald Trump [00:30:46]
Is that a good feeling? While. It's a miserable feeling, but you do it anyway. 

Theo Von [00:30:50]
Just like the guy you're saying with the scotch. Like you did. You didn't. You knew it was bad, but you still. 

Theo Von [00:30:50]
Just like the guy you're saying with the scotch. Like you did. You didn't. You knew it was bad, but you still. 

Donald Trump [00:30:56]
So it's not even good during what would be normally the good time, in other words. Oh, wow. So why would you do it? 

Donald Trump [00:30:56]
So it's not even good during what would be normally the good time, in other words. Oh, wow. So why would you do it? 

Theo Von [00:31:02]
I wouldn't. That's why I don't. Yeah, but it's crazy, because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's. That it trumps the why. Like, it doesn't, and it just. You don't, and you just go to. It's like. So that's why they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism. 

Theo Von [00:31:02]
I wouldn't. That's why I don't. Yeah, but it's crazy, because that's what alcoholism is. I think it's. That it trumps the why. Like, it doesn't, and it just. You don't, and you just go to. It's like. So that's why they say that it's cunning, baffling, and powerful. That's what they say about alcoholism. 

Theo Von [00:31:22]
And it is. It's. It's. 

Theo Von [00:31:22]
And it is. It's. It's. 

Donald Trump [00:31:24]
Which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say opioids bigger than alcohol? 

Donald Trump [00:31:24]
Which is a bigger problem in our country. Would you say opioids bigger than alcohol? 

Theo Von [00:31:30]
Oh, for sure. I think it's. That's one of the biggest problems. 

Theo Von [00:31:30]
Oh, for sure. I think it's. That's one of the biggest problems. 

Donald Trump [00:31:33]
And compare that to fentanyl. 

Donald Trump [00:31:33]
And compare that to fentanyl. 

Theo Von [00:31:35]
Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real ones, or they're just getting them off the street, and then they put fentanyl in them. 

Theo Von [00:31:35]
Oh, yeah. Well, that's the problem is people are making fake opioids because they can't afford real ones, or they're just getting them off the street, and then they put fentanyl in them. 

Donald Trump [00:31:42]
Fentanyl's, like, laced into everything now. It's horrible. 

Donald Trump [00:31:42]
Fentanyl's, like, laced into everything now. It's horrible. 

Theo Von [00:31:46]
It's horrible. Yeah. They found some in a baby rattle somewhere, I think. I don't even know where that was, but one of the things I wanted to ask you about was, like, so there's, like, the big pharma lobbyists. Like, there's 1800 big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. 

Theo Von [00:31:46]
It's horrible. Yeah. They found some in a baby rattle somewhere, I think. I don't even know where that was, but one of the things I wanted to ask you about was, like, so there's, like, the big pharma lobbyists. Like, there's 1800 big pharma lobbyists in Washington, DC. 

Donald Trump [00:32:01]
Right? 

Donald Trump [00:32:01]
Right? 

Theo Von [00:32:01]
There's only 535 total representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like, how do we stop that, man? It just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like, people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us? 

Theo Von [00:32:01]
There's only 535 total representatives or senators total. So just the fact that there's this whole other almost drug government that's there kind of pushing the, you know, pushing agendas and influencing things. Like, how do we stop that, man? It just seems like it's obviously killing people. Like, people are dying. You know, it's like, what do we have to do that our own government won't help us? 

Donald Trump [00:32:28]
Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists, and if they have even a little access to, like, a president or senator or a congressman or woman, they're snakes. They get a lot of money, and in some cases, they just take the money. They don't do anything. 

Donald Trump [00:32:28]
Well, you have to stop listening to lobbyists. You know, I was not a big person for lobbyists, and if they have even a little access to, like, a president or senator or a congressman or woman, they're snakes. They get a lot of money, and in some cases, they just take the money. They don't do anything. 

Donald Trump [00:32:44]
But you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing, and certainly a lot for the. For all of the things that we're. 

Donald Trump [00:32:44]
But you have a lot of lobbyists in Washington pushing, and certainly a lot for the. For all of the things that we're. 

Theo Von [00:32:51]
Talking about, including alcohol, the lobbyists are winning. It feels like. 

Theo Von [00:32:51]
Talking about, including alcohol, the lobbyists are winning. It feels like. 

Donald Trump [00:32:54]
Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely. 

Donald Trump [00:32:54]
Yeah, they're winning. They're making a lot of money. Absolutely. 

Theo Von [00:32:57]
Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? How do we stop that? 

Theo Von [00:32:57]
Can you stop that? Can a president stop that? How do we stop that? 

Donald Trump [00:33:02]
Well, one way you could stop it is to say if you're gonna go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. In many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever. 

Donald Trump [00:33:02]
Well, one way you could stop it is to say if you're gonna go into government, you can never be a lobbyist. In many cases, they have rules and regulations where you can't do it for four years, three years, five years, whatever. 

Theo Von [00:33:14]
You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official. 

Theo Von [00:33:14]
You mean be a lobbyist after you were an elected official. 

Donald Trump [00:33:16]
I mean, you could say. 

Donald Trump [00:33:16]
I mean, you could say. 

Theo Von [00:33:17]
Is that what you're saying? 

Theo Von [00:33:17]
Is that what you're saying? 

Donald Trump [00:33:18]
You could say that if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government, and they give out contracts to the military, and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to. 

Donald Trump [00:33:18]
You could say that if you're an elected official or if you work in government, you can never be a lobbyist. You have people that work in government, and they give out contracts to the military, and then they leave and they work for them, for the people that they're giving out contracts to. 

Theo Von [00:33:34]
That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws. But can we outlaw lobbyists or. We can't do that. 

Theo Von [00:33:34]
That's exactly what happened with the Sackler family, with the drug companies. They hired people that were on the FDA to work for them so they could loophole the laws. But can we outlaw lobbyists or. We can't do that. 

Donald Trump [00:33:48]
Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business if you're. If you work for government, and especially if you're giving out contracts? In other words, you're a powerful person within some industry. The navy, the army, any, you know, anything. It could be military procurement, et cetera. 

Donald Trump [00:33:48]
Well, there's a whole constitutional thing there. I mean, can you make somebody never, ever go into the business if you're. If you work for government, and especially if you're giving out contracts? In other words, you're a powerful person within some industry. The navy, the army, any, you know, anything. It could be military procurement, et cetera. 

Donald Trump [00:34:07]
There's a whole thing. Like, there's a whole question as to you give out a contract, and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to. 

Donald Trump [00:34:07]
There's a whole thing. Like, there's a whole question as to you give out a contract, and then all of a sudden you're working for the person you gave out the contract to or the company that you gave out the contract to. 

Theo Von [00:34:17]
Right. It's like you're playing both sides in the net. 

Theo Von [00:34:17]
Right. It's like you're playing both sides in the net. 

Donald Trump [00:34:19]
Well, it's. And it's obviously a problem, and it's a big problem. And we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some. We had a lot of problems with this guy. A lot of problems. 

Donald Trump [00:34:19]
Well, it's. And it's obviously a problem, and it's a big problem. And we were doing things about it, but then we had to get down to other business. We had to solve some. We had a lot of problems with this guy. A lot of problems. 

Theo Von [00:34:30]
It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I would say. What do you think? 

Theo Von [00:34:30]
It's pretty clear that the establishment doesn't like you, I would say. What do you think? 

Donald Trump [00:34:34]
Well, I think the people like me. 

Donald Trump [00:34:34]
Well, I think the people like me. 

Theo Von [00:34:36]
Oh, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:34:36]
Oh, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:34:36]
The people we're leading now in all the polls. We're leading. And Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very highly, highly regarded poll and we're leaving by like leading by five points. Rasmussen poll and others also. And we're doing well. I think the people like me a lot. You know, we won and then we, no doubt. 

Donald Trump [00:34:36]
The people we're leading now in all the polls. We're leading. And Rasmussen just came out a little while. Rasmussen's a very highly, highly regarded poll and we're leaving by like leading by five points. Rasmussen poll and others also. And we're doing well. I think the people like me a lot. You know, we won and then we, no doubt. 

Donald Trump [00:34:57]
So we won in 2016 and then we did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and millions more votes. 

Donald Trump [00:34:57]
So we won in 2016 and then we did much better in 2020. Much better. Got millions and millions more votes. 

Theo Von [00:35:04]
And why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they are so afraid of? 

Theo Von [00:35:04]
And why does the establishment keep trying to sink you? Like, what is it that they are so afraid of? 

Donald Trump [00:35:10]
In some cases, the things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in. They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain everything. Bought a pharma is another one. That's interesting. 

Donald Trump [00:35:10]
In some cases, the things we're talking about right now, they want to sell product that I'm not interested in. They want to have certain boats and certain chips and certain planes and certain everything. Bought a pharma is another one. That's interesting. 

Theo Von [00:35:27]
Do they push back against you, you think? 

Theo Von [00:35:27]
Do they push back against you, you think? 

Donald Trump [00:35:29]
Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they do in one way that's a positive thing politically because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it. But we have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of people that want to see me come back, win because we had a great time. 

Donald Trump [00:35:29]
Yeah, I think they do. Well, yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that they do in one way that's a positive thing politically because when you can show that they push back, the voters seem to like it. But we have a lot of popularity. We have a lot of people that want to see me come back, win because we had a great time. 

Donald Trump [00:35:49]
We had the greatest economy in history when I was president. 

Donald Trump [00:35:49]
We had the greatest economy in history when I was president. 

Theo Von [00:35:53]
Oh, yeah, my cousin got a boat. 

Theo Von [00:35:53]
Oh, yeah, my cousin got a boat. 

Donald Trump [00:35:55]
Yeah. We had the best job numbers, african american, hispanic american, if you look asian american. Job numbers, women, men, everybody. We did a, we did a lot of good things. We cut, we cut taxes more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations which created jobs. We had a great period of. 

Donald Trump [00:35:55]
Yeah. We had the best job numbers, african american, hispanic american, if you look asian american. Job numbers, women, men, everybody. We did a, we did a lot of good things. We cut, we cut taxes more than anybody else, including Ronald Reagan. We cut regulations which created jobs. We had a great period of. 

Donald Trump [00:36:14]
And I think the people want it back. Based on what I'm seeing, the people want it back. 

Donald Trump [00:36:14]
And I think the people want it back. Based on what I'm seeing, the people want it back. 

Theo Von [00:36:19]
One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders on. And interesting, and I know that's very interesting. Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the american people because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us. 

Theo Von [00:36:19]
One thing that you did recently, we had Bernie Sanders on. And interesting, and I know that's very interesting. Certainly you guys don't agree on a lot of things, but I think you both acknowledge how horribly rigged the healthcare system is against the american people because hospitals and insurance companies get away with hiding their prices from all of us. 

Theo Von [00:36:43]
And literally they can charge whatever they want. You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay. You trust the hospital. But then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me. That's what it seems like to me. 

Theo Von [00:36:43]
And literally they can charge whatever they want. You know, it's like you sign up and say, yes, I'll pay. You trust the hospital. But then you get home and the bill is, it's whatever, you know, which pretty much feels like some form of extortion to me. That's what it seems like to me. 

Donald Trump [00:36:57]
It's a form. 

Donald Trump [00:36:57]
It's a form. 

Theo Von [00:36:58]
But you had an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices. Right. So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there. Then I can go here and see, save myself money. But that hasn't even been enforced. 

Theo Von [00:36:58]
But you had an executive order where you created a federal rule forcing hospitals and insurers to publish all their prices. Right. So that people would be able to know, okay, if an MRI costs $600 here and it's $5,000 there. Then I can go here and see, save myself money. But that hasn't even been enforced. 

Theo Von [00:37:18]
Like hospitals. 

Theo Von [00:37:18]
Like hospitals. 

Donald Trump [00:37:19]
Biden got away with it. 

Donald Trump [00:37:19]
Biden got away with it. 

Theo Von [00:37:21]
Hospitals and insurance companies, they're not in. They're still not showing their prices. 

Theo Von [00:37:21]
Hospitals and insurance companies, they're not in. They're still not showing their prices. 

Donald Trump [00:37:25]
They hated it. 

Donald Trump [00:37:25]
They hated it. 

Theo Von [00:37:26]
Of course they did. 

Theo Von [00:37:26]
Of course they did. 

Donald Trump [00:37:27]
And because it would. Would have made it very competitive. And Biden let it go. He did. He never enforced it. And to get that approved was a big deal. And that would have brought down the price of so many things. Not only just care, right, care, physical care, mental care. That would have brought down the cost of care by 50, 60%. 

Donald Trump [00:37:27]
And because it would. Would have made it very competitive. And Biden let it go. He did. He never enforced it. And to get that approved was a big deal. And that would have brought down the price of so many things. Not only just care, right, care, physical care, mental care. That would have brought down the cost of care by 50, 60%. 

Donald Trump [00:37:49]
And Biden and Kamala didn't press it. It was a big thing to get it. But I'll be pressing it. And because I will be pressing it. Yeah, and because I'll be pressing it. There are some people that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know, for money reasons. 

Donald Trump [00:37:49]
And Biden and Kamala didn't press it. It was a big thing to get it. But I'll be pressing it. And because I will be pressing it. Yeah, and because I'll be pressing it. There are some people that are vehemently against it for financial reasons, you know, for money reasons. 

Theo Von [00:38:05]
But I think people can go to hell. That's insane. 

Theo Von [00:38:05]
But I think people can go to hell. That's insane. 

Donald Trump [00:38:07]
Yeah. No, they bad people. 

Donald Trump [00:38:07]
Yeah. No, they bad people. 

Theo Von [00:38:10]
Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I mean, it's. 

Theo Von [00:38:10]
Especially because one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in America is medical debt. I mean, it's. 

Donald Trump [00:38:17]
Wow. 

Donald Trump [00:38:17]
Wow. 

Theo Von [00:38:17]
That's crazy. And I don't even think I made that up either. 

Theo Von [00:38:17]
That's crazy. And I don't even think I made that up either. 

Donald Trump [00:38:20]
No, it's. When you think of it, at first, when you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking about it. I'm saying it's really not a wow. It's. I understand it. Tremendous lobby. Tremendous, powerful lobby. 

Donald Trump [00:38:20]
No, it's. When you think of it, at first, when you said it, I said, wow. And then I'm thinking about it. I'm saying it's really not a wow. It's. I understand it. Tremendous lobby. Tremendous, powerful lobby. 

Theo Von [00:38:32]
Well, yeah. Cause, I mean, think about what else is gonna put you in medical, like, in that much of a debt. It's like, I think that's. I believe that that's accurate. Who's behind the healthcare insurance? That whole thing, like, who's behind it all? It feels like Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back there somewhere. 

Theo Von [00:38:32]
Well, yeah. Cause, I mean, think about what else is gonna put you in medical, like, in that much of a debt. It's like, I think that's. I believe that that's accurate. Who's behind the healthcare insurance? That whole thing, like, who's behind it all? It feels like Chuck Schumer is this kind of, like, deviant mastermind back there somewhere. 

Donald Trump [00:38:53]
Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and he's one of the people that keeps the prices high. And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from the people on the other side. Yeah. And him and plenty of other people. A lot of people. It's a very powerful lobby. 

Donald Trump [00:38:53]
Well, he's one of the people that is hurt, and he's one of the people that keeps the prices high. And he's, you know, gets a lot of contributions from the people on the other side. Yeah. And him and plenty of other people. A lot of people. It's a very powerful lobby. 

Theo Von [00:39:08]
But wouldn't they want the most powerful. 

Theo Von [00:39:08]
But wouldn't they want the most powerful. 

Donald Trump [00:39:10]
Lobby, the lawyer lobby? 

Donald Trump [00:39:10]
Lobby, the lawyer lobby? 

Theo Von [00:39:11]
That's. That's the. 

Theo Von [00:39:11]
That's. That's the. 

Donald Trump [00:39:12]
And that feeds into that also. You know, it all feeds into it. 

Donald Trump [00:39:12]
And that feeds into that also. You know, it all feeds into it. 

Theo Von [00:39:15]
Wait, hold on. Just so I understand. Donald. Sorry. Um, so that, uh, that lobby is a very powerful one. 

Theo Von [00:39:15]
Wait, hold on. Just so I understand. Donald. Sorry. Um, so that, uh, that lobby is a very powerful one. 

Donald Trump [00:39:20]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:39:20]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:39:21]
But why do those people want people to suffer, though? Just so they can make money? 

Theo Von [00:39:21]
But why do those people want people to suffer, though? Just so they can make money? 

Donald Trump [00:39:25]
Yeah. It really has to do with money. 

Donald Trump [00:39:25]
Yeah. It really has to do with money. 

Theo Von [00:39:30]
That's crazy. How much money do they probably start off by? 

Theo Von [00:39:30]
That's crazy. How much money do they probably start off by? 

Donald Trump [00:39:33]
Saying, this is terrible. And then they eventually say, well, but. 

Donald Trump [00:39:33]
Saying, this is terrible. And then they eventually say, well, but. 

Theo Von [00:39:36]
Can we just, as a country say, hey, how much? Okay, you need $3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off. We want to be healthy. Like, can't we make a deal with those people? 

Theo Von [00:39:36]
Can we just, as a country say, hey, how much? Okay, you need $3 million. We'll give you that. Fuck off. We want to be healthy. Like, can't we make a deal with those people? 

Donald Trump [00:39:46]
They're very tough to deal with, and they've been taken care of by drug companies and others for years. You know, you have politicians that have been for years being taken care of by people that make a lot of money, and they want to keep making a lot of money. And it is. I mean, in that case, it's not a power thing, it's a money thing. 

Donald Trump [00:39:46]
They're very tough to deal with, and they've been taken care of by drug companies and others for years. You know, you have politicians that have been for years being taken care of by people that make a lot of money, and they want to keep making a lot of money. And it is. I mean, in that case, it's not a power thing, it's a money thing. 

Donald Trump [00:40:03]
Yeah, a lot of money. 

Donald Trump [00:40:03]
Yeah, a lot of money. 

Theo Von [00:40:06]
What are some of the other lobbies that are out there that we don't even know about? 

Theo Von [00:40:06]
What are some of the other lobbies that are out there that we don't even know about? 

Donald Trump [00:40:09]
Well, the most powerful lobby is the lawyer lobby. I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful, sometimes, really, to the detriment of everybody. But the most powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right? But they have. That's why if you wanted to get rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which in this country is out of control, loser pays. 

Donald Trump [00:40:09]
Well, the most powerful lobby is the lawyer lobby. I would say the teacher's lobby is important or powerful, sometimes, really, to the detriment of everybody. But the most powerful lobby is probably the lawyers who would think that, right? But they have. That's why if you wanted to get rid of court cases and cut down litigation costs, which in this country is out of control, loser pays. 

Donald Trump [00:40:36]
That's crazy. What you do is you go, loser pays. In other words, the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for, the other side has to pay back all the money the other side spent. 

Donald Trump [00:40:36]
That's crazy. What you do is you go, loser pays. In other words, the loser of a lawsuit has to pay for, the other side has to pay back all the money the other side spent. 

Theo Von [00:40:45]
You think that would solve it? 

Theo Von [00:40:45]
You think that would solve it? 

Donald Trump [00:40:47]
Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of the litigation. We are a very litigious country. 

Donald Trump [00:40:47]
Yeah, it would get rid of 75, 80% of the litigation. We are a very litigious country. 

Theo Von [00:40:53]
It's on. Everything's under. It's all bureaucratic. It's all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole. 

Theo Von [00:40:53]
It's on. Everything's under. It's all bureaucratic. It's all dirty paperwork. It's a bunch of rigmarole. 

Donald Trump [00:40:58]
Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a lot of it, but the lawyers are opposed to it. It probably will not happen no matter what, because obviously the lawyers want to. 

Donald Trump [00:40:58]
Well, if that would happen, you'd get rid of a lot of it, but the lawyers are opposed to it. It probably will not happen no matter what, because obviously the lawyers want to. 

Theo Von [00:41:09]
Can you do what would have to happen? The Supreme Court would have to vote on something to make it happen. 

Theo Von [00:41:09]
Can you do what would have to happen? The Supreme Court would have to vote on something to make it happen. 

Donald Trump [00:41:13]
I don't know. I think that maybe would have to go before the Supreme Court. But the most powerful lobby is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it, a lot of places have it, different countries where loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you have to. 

Donald Trump [00:41:13]
I don't know. I think that maybe would have to go before the Supreme Court. But the most powerful lobby is that lobby. And if you wanted to get rid of litigation, if you went and, you know, Europe has it, a lot of places have it, different countries where loser pays. If you sue somebody and you lose, you have to. 

Donald Trump [00:41:32]
You have to pay the costs of the other side. 

Donald Trump [00:41:32]
You have to pay the costs of the other side. 

Theo Von [00:41:35]
Yeah, that makes sense, I think. 

Theo Von [00:41:35]
Yeah, that makes sense, I think. 

Donald Trump [00:41:36]
And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference. But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to it. In this country. It's too bad. 

Donald Trump [00:41:36]
And what happens is people don't sue. It's a tremendous difference. But this country, the lawyers are very much opposed to it. In this country. It's too bad. 

Theo Von [00:41:47]
Yeah, man. It's just pretty heartbreaking. I feel like there was a rumor that you almost had RFK junior as a potential vice president? 

Theo Von [00:41:47]
Yeah, man. It's just pretty heartbreaking. I feel like there was a rumor that you almost had RFK junior as a potential vice president? 

Donald Trump [00:41:58]
No. 

Donald Trump [00:41:58]
No. 

Theo Von [00:41:59]
Okay. Just a rumor. And did I like him? 

Theo Von [00:41:59]
Okay. Just a rumor. And did I like him? 

Donald Trump [00:42:02]
I've always liked him. 

Donald Trump [00:42:02]
I've always liked him. 

Theo Von [00:42:04]
Yeah, I like him, too. Bobby and I are friends. He's a friend of mine. I've known him for years. 

Theo Von [00:42:04]
Yeah, I like him, too. Bobby and I are friends. He's a friend of mine. I've known him for years. 

Donald Trump [00:42:07]
He's a good man. 

Donald Trump [00:42:07]
He's a good man. 

Theo Von [00:42:07]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:42:07]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:42:08]
He's in there pitching. It's tough. It's a two party system, and he's a third party. It's a tough thing. He can't get registered now in New York. I see. New York. And the Democrats have really opposed him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him. 

Donald Trump [00:42:08]
He's in there pitching. It's tough. It's a two party system, and he's a third party. It's a tough thing. He can't get registered now in New York. I see. New York. And the Democrats have really opposed him vehemently. I haven't, but the Democrats have really opposed him. 

Theo Von [00:42:22]
So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere? 

Theo Von [00:42:22]
So you think he should be allowed to run everywhere? 

Donald Trump [00:42:24]
Well, the laws don't allow that. 

Donald Trump [00:42:24]
Well, the laws don't allow that. 

Theo Von [00:42:26]
Okay. 

Theo Von [00:42:26]
Okay. 

Donald Trump [00:42:27]
And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%, whatever it is. They don't allow you to debate. You don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage. You can't. The debates are very important. I mean, I had a debate with Joe Biden. 

Donald Trump [00:42:27]
And the laws don't allow, unless you have 15 or 20%, whatever it is. They don't allow you to debate. You don't have to debate. So you can't get on the stage. You can't. The debates are very important. I mean, I had a debate with Joe Biden. 

Theo Von [00:42:39]
Oh, yeah. 

Theo Von [00:42:39]
Oh, yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:42:40]
That was a very meaningful, that was a very consequential debate, to put it mildly. 

Donald Trump [00:42:40]
That was a very meaningful, that was a very consequential debate, to put it mildly. 

Theo Von [00:42:45]
Well, yeah, they took the hand out of the puppet after that. 

Theo Von [00:42:45]
Well, yeah, they took the hand out of the puppet after that. 

Donald Trump [00:42:50]
They wanted to debate. They gave me everything that I didn't want. CNN. And then they gave me Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now, remember this. They were very straight during that debate. I have gained a certain respect because Jake Tapper, who I call fake Tapper, but I don't do that. 

Donald Trump [00:42:50]
They wanted to debate. They gave me everything that I didn't want. CNN. And then they gave me Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Now, remember this. They were very straight during that debate. I have gained a certain respect because Jake Tapper, who I call fake Tapper, but I don't do that. 

Theo Von [00:43:09]
I saw him at whole food. 

Theo Von [00:43:09]
I saw him at whole food. 

Donald Trump [00:43:10]
I don't do that so much anymore. You did, but I thought they were very even handed, if you want to know the truth. During the debate, I didn't feel like. 

Donald Trump [00:43:10]
I don't do that so much anymore. You did, but I thought they were very even handed, if you want to know the truth. During the debate, I didn't feel like. 

Theo Von [00:43:18]
They, like the moderate. I didn't feel like they pushed a lot of. 

Theo Von [00:43:18]
They, like the moderate. I didn't feel like they pushed a lot of. 

Donald Trump [00:43:20]
They had certain pressure on them to, to be even handed. I think it's hard to not do that. But they were very even handed. And it was a great debate, but a very important debate. 

Donald Trump [00:43:20]
They had certain pressure on them to, to be even handed. I think it's hard to not do that. But they were very even handed. And it was a great debate, but a very important debate. 

Theo Von [00:43:30]
Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, oh, Biden's fine in America for, like, 18 months. Like, my dad was really old when I was born. My dad was 70 when I was born. Right. So I don't like seeing senior citizens get taken advantage of. Right. I felt like that happened a lot when I was a kid. 

Theo Von [00:43:30]
Well, after that, it seemed like suddenly everybody had been like, oh, Biden's fine in America for, like, 18 months. Like, my dad was really old when I was born. My dad was 70 when I was born. Right. So I don't like seeing senior citizens get taken advantage of. Right. I felt like that happened a lot when I was a kid. 

Theo Von [00:43:46]
And so I think, for me, it reflected on me. Like, it made me really angry, because I was like, I know this guy's not, well, it's not fair to pretend that he's, well, it's not fair to him because he doesn't know you're pretending you know, and it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do. 

Theo Von [00:43:46]
And so I think, for me, it reflected on me. Like, it made me really angry, because I was like, I know this guy's not, well, it's not fair to pretend that he's, well, it's not fair to him because he doesn't know you're pretending you know, and it just seemed like the cruelest thing you could do. 

Theo Von [00:44:02]
And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this thing that we know is not real. Our media is just saying this is real and we're like, we're just being gaslit as humans about something that's like moral. Like, this is a human man, this is somebody's grandfather. And then they just disappear. He just disappears. 

Theo Von [00:44:02]
And then we're all kind of supposed to believe this thing that we know is not real. Our media is just saying this is real and we're like, we're just being gaslit as humans about something that's like moral. Like, this is a human man, this is somebody's grandfather. And then they just disappear. He just disappears. 

Theo Von [00:44:22]
And suddenly it's like it was a coup. Kamala is the, is the one that went in. What do you think happened in the back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight that happened. 

Theo Von [00:44:22]
And suddenly it's like it was a coup. Kamala is the, is the one that went in. What do you think happened in the back rooms there? Cause that almost was overnight that happened. 

Donald Trump [00:44:31]
I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that. It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're telling him to get out or they threatened him. 

Donald Trump [00:44:31]
I know what happened. And you're not supposed to do that. It's not supposed to be probably constitutional. She got no votes. He got 14 million votes. All of a sudden they're telling him to get out or they threatened him. 

Theo Von [00:44:44]
But who were they? 

Theo Von [00:44:44]
But who were they? 

Donald Trump [00:44:45]
When they say angry person? Well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi and numerous other people. The heads of the Democrat party. 

Donald Trump [00:44:45]
When they say angry person? Well, I would say Schumer, Pelosi and numerous other people. The heads of the Democrat party. 

Theo Von [00:44:54]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:44:54]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:44:55]
And they did. They threatened him violently, I think. And he didn't want to get out. Remember he said, only God will get me out. Right. Only God will get me. 

Donald Trump [00:44:55]
And they did. They threatened him violently, I think. And he didn't want to get out. Remember he said, only God will get me out. Right. Only God will get me. 

Theo Von [00:45:03]
Somebody dressed up like God and chased him out of there. 

Theo Von [00:45:03]
Somebody dressed up like God and chased him out of there. 

Donald Trump [00:45:05]
Yeah. And what happened is they, they went to him and they said this was after the debate. Now, if he didn't have the debate, he would still be running. Running. 

Donald Trump [00:45:05]
Yeah. And what happened is they, they went to him and they said this was after the debate. Now, if he didn't have the debate, he would still be running. Running. 

Theo Von [00:45:14]
Yeah. So they set him up. They knew they were going to pull that. 

Theo Von [00:45:14]
Yeah. So they set him up. They knew they were going to pull that. 

Donald Trump [00:45:18]
I don't know. I mean, he had his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't. I heard. They offered me things that I would never accept and I accepted them. They said CNN, they said Jake top Tapper, Dana Bash, they said all things that I could not take and I accepted all of them. 

Donald Trump [00:45:18]
I don't know. I mean, he had his debate. Maybe he wanted to. I heard he didn't. I heard. They offered me things that I would never accept and I accepted them. They said CNN, they said Jake top Tapper, Dana Bash, they said all things that I could not take and I accepted all of them. 

Donald Trump [00:45:35]
And, you know, look, it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a good debate for him. I think you'd still be running right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was a failed vice president. She was the most, she was considered the worst vice president in the history of our country. 

Donald Trump [00:45:35]
And, you know, look, it was a good debate for me. It wasn't a good debate for him. I think you'd still be running right now. You wouldn't have her. She was one of the most disrespected people in the whole country. She was a failed vice president. She was the most, she was considered the worst vice president in the history of our country. 

Donald Trump [00:45:57]
She had no chance. You know, if you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad she was and they wanted to choose from eleven different people. 

Donald Trump [00:45:57]
She had no chance. You know, if you go back six weeks, they were saying how bad she was and they wanted to choose from eleven different people. 

Theo Von [00:46:04]
Do you feel? 

Theo Von [00:46:04]
Do you feel? 

Donald Trump [00:46:05]
I thought that's what they were gonna have. 

Donald Trump [00:46:05]
I thought that's what they were gonna have. 

Theo Von [00:46:07]
Oh, you thought that's where they go. Well, that would have seemed more democratic. 

Theo Von [00:46:07]
Oh, you thought that's where they go. Well, that would have seemed more democratic. 

Donald Trump [00:46:09]
I think they were, they were, they wanted to be politically correct and they chose her. 

Donald Trump [00:46:09]
I think they were, they were, they wanted to be politically correct and they chose her. 

Theo Von [00:46:16]
I feel like it would have seemed more. But, dude, I got so angry. When they sidetracked Bernie a few years ago, that wasn't fair. 

Theo Von [00:46:16]
I feel like it would have seemed more. But, dude, I got so angry. When they sidetracked Bernie a few years ago, that wasn't fair. 

Donald Trump [00:46:22]
It happened to Bernie twice. 

Donald Trump [00:46:22]
It happened to Bernie twice. 

Theo Von [00:46:24]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:46:24]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:46:24]
You think about it? 

Donald Trump [00:46:24]
You think about it? 

Theo Von [00:46:25]
Yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. 2016 and 22, he just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like, whatever you think. It's just like, we have to be. 

Theo Von [00:46:25]
Yeah. Oh, it was crazy. Yeah. 2016 and 22, he just got, you know, it just wasn't cool. Like, whatever you think. It's just like, we have to be. 

Donald Trump [00:46:32]
Able to believe Bernie. Is he. Are you friends with him or so. 

Donald Trump [00:46:32]
Able to believe Bernie. Is he. Are you friends with him or so. 

Theo Von [00:46:35]
No, I met him the other day. 

Theo Von [00:46:35]
No, I met him the other day. 

Donald Trump [00:46:37]
Was that the first time? 

Donald Trump [00:46:37]
Was that the first time? 

Theo Von [00:46:38]
It was the first time. 

Theo Von [00:46:38]
It was the first time. 

Donald Trump [00:46:39]
Were you impressed by him? 

Donald Trump [00:46:39]
Were you impressed by him? 

Theo Von [00:46:40]
I. Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:46:40]
I. Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:46:42]
One thing. He's. He's still sharp, right? 

Donald Trump [00:46:42]
One thing. He's. He's still sharp, right? 

Theo Von [00:46:44]
Oh, yeah, he's still sharp. 

Theo Von [00:46:44]
Oh, yeah, he's still sharp. 

Donald Trump [00:46:45]
He doesn't suffer from what Biden did. 

Donald Trump [00:46:45]
He doesn't suffer from what Biden did. 

Theo Von [00:46:47]
No, no, no. 

Theo Von [00:46:47]
No, no, no. 

Donald Trump [00:46:48]
Mental dullness. 

Donald Trump [00:46:48]
Mental dullness. 

Theo Von [00:46:49]
Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:46:49]
Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:46:50]
Right. I mean, mentally gone. Mentally gone. 

Donald Trump [00:46:50]
Right. I mean, mentally gone. Mentally gone. 

Theo Von [00:46:54]
He's, you know, he's. Somebody put a merry go around in his head. I heard. But that's, you know, but they didn't plug it in. They didn't tell him. Yeah, but no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one of the things is it's the healthcare. I just feel like we spend so much money in different places and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic, I just feel like. 

Theo Von [00:46:54]
He's, you know, he's. Somebody put a merry go around in his head. I heard. But that's, you know, but they didn't plug it in. They didn't tell him. Yeah, but no, one thing I liked about Bernie. Well, one of the things is it's the healthcare. I just feel like we spend so much money in different places and people are sick, and the opioid epidemic, I just feel like. 

Theo Von [00:47:13]
And the lower cost of drugs, those are things that I. 

Theo Von [00:47:13]
And the lower cost of drugs, those are things that I. 

Donald Trump [00:47:16]
Cause I got insulin down and they took credit for it, but I got it down to dollar 35, and I said, I hope I win because somebody's gonna take credit. It takes a period of time before it kicks in statutorily. And I got it down to $35, which is a very low price. 

Donald Trump [00:47:16]
Cause I got insulin down and they took credit for it, but I got it down to dollar 35, and I said, I hope I win because somebody's gonna take credit. It takes a period of time before it kicks in statutorily. And I got it down to $35, which is a very low price. 

Donald Trump [00:47:34]
And they took credit for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit because I'm talking to you, you know. 

Donald Trump [00:47:34]
And they took credit for it, which is, you know, now I'm taking credit because I'm talking to you, you know. 

Theo Von [00:47:39]
Yeah. If you did it, then you should be able to take credit for it. 

Theo Von [00:47:39]
Yeah. If you did it, then you should be able to take credit for it. 

Donald Trump [00:47:41]
I just watched her performance today. So she went out and. 

Donald Trump [00:47:41]
I just watched her performance today. So she went out and. 

Theo Von [00:47:45]
Who, Kamala? 

Theo Von [00:47:45]
Who, Kamala? 

Donald Trump [00:47:46]
Yeah. She lied about everything. She said this Trump tax, that Trump tax, that Trump. He's going to tax this. He's going to attack all these different things, and I'm not going to tax them. She made it up. 

Donald Trump [00:47:46]
Yeah. She lied about everything. She said this Trump tax, that Trump tax, that Trump. He's going to tax this. He's going to attack all these different things, and I'm not going to tax them. She made it up. 

Theo Von [00:47:57]
Did you know that four companies controlled over 80% of the us meat industry, and China now controls the largest portion of us pork? These companies are using mobster like tactics to crush american family farms. And with the additives that they're putting into our food, Americans are stuck with sketchy meat. So what can we do about it? 

Theo Von [00:47:57]
Did you know that four companies controlled over 80% of the us meat industry, and China now controls the largest portion of us pork? These companies are using mobster like tactics to crush american family farms. And with the additives that they're putting into our food, Americans are stuck with sketchy meat. So what can we do about it? 

Theo Von [00:48:21]
Let me tell you about a company that's coming up swinging on behalf of the american family farms and your family's food security. Moink. The business is simple. Moink's meat comes from animals raised outdoors, where a pig is free to be a pig. 

Theo Von [00:48:21]
Let me tell you about a company that's coming up swinging on behalf of the american family farms and your family's food security. Moink. The business is simple. Moink's meat comes from animals raised outdoors, where a pig is free to be a pig. 

Donald Trump [00:48:38]
Hey, buddy. 

Donald Trump [00:48:38]
Hey, buddy. 

Theo Von [00:48:39]
Their farmers are given an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, and they deliver meat straight to your doorstep at prices you can actually afford. So keep american family farms farming by joining the Moink movement today@moinkbox.com. theo sign up today and get free hot rolls in your first order, spelled moink. Box.com Theo oink, oink. 

Theo Von [00:48:39]
Their farmers are given an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, and they deliver meat straight to your doorstep at prices you can actually afford. So keep american family farms farming by joining the Moink movement today@moinkbox.com. theo sign up today and get free hot rolls in your first order, spelled moink. Box.com Theo oink, oink. 

Theo Von [00:49:07]
Get moinked moinkbox.com Theo, you know what it is, brother and sisters, baby. It's time for those wiener uppers. Daddy. You feel me? Bluechew.com they're helping. Bluechew is a unique online service that delivers the same active ingredients as Viagra, cialis, and la vitra, but at a fraction of the cost in chewable form. Sign up@bluechew.com consult with one of their licensed medical providers, and once you're approved, you'll receive your prescription within days. 

Theo Von [00:49:07]
Get moinked moinkbox.com Theo, you know what it is, brother and sisters, baby. It's time for those wiener uppers. Daddy. You feel me? Bluechew.com they're helping. Bluechew is a unique online service that delivers the same active ingredients as Viagra, cialis, and la vitra, but at a fraction of the cost in chewable form. Sign up@bluechew.com consult with one of their licensed medical providers, and once you're approved, you'll receive your prescription within days. 

Theo Von [00:49:44]
Bluechoo wants the entire country rock hard. They told me that that's the mission. They will not stop until every man is bricked up like a brick house. And we've got a special deal for our listeners. Try blue chew free. When you use promo code Theo at checkout, just pay $5 shipping. That's bluechew.com, comma, promo code Theo. 

Theo Von [00:49:44]
Bluechoo wants the entire country rock hard. They told me that that's the mission. They will not stop until every man is bricked up like a brick house. And we've got a special deal for our listeners. Try blue chew free. When you use promo code Theo at checkout, just pay $5 shipping. That's bluechew.com, comma, promo code Theo. 

Theo Von [00:50:09]
To receive your first month free, visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. And we thank Bluechu for sponsoring the podcast. 

Theo Von [00:50:09]
To receive your first month free, visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. And we thank Bluechu for sponsoring the podcast. 

Donald Trump [00:50:20]
Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She made up a series of lots of different taxes that Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one, your taxes are going to go up by four times. 

Donald Trump [00:50:20]
Look, people in politics, many of them, not all of them are really liars, but she's really a liar. She made up a series of lots of different taxes that Trump's going to charge you on clothing. He's going to charge you on this or that. And actually, she's the one, your taxes are going to go up by four times. 

Donald Trump [00:50:37]
And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number of months, pretty soon she has to be able to do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll tell you what, if she's, she's the worst vice president ever. He's the worst president ever. 

Donald Trump [00:50:37]
And if the Trump tax cuts, because I got the largest tax cuts ever, but they expire in a number of months, pretty soon she has to be able to do something about it. And she's unwilling and incapable. I'll tell you what, if she's, she's the worst vice president ever. He's the worst president ever. 

Donald Trump [00:50:59]
A deadly combination. And we have a country where the borders are bad, where the world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that are happening. 

Donald Trump [00:50:59]
A deadly combination. And we have a country where the borders are bad, where the world is blowing up. You look at Israel, you look at Ukraine, you look at all the different things that are happening. 

Theo Von [00:51:10]
Oh, we're, yeah, she is. 

Theo Von [00:51:10]
Oh, we're, yeah, she is. 

Donald Trump [00:51:11]
And she has no clue. And you know what I say about her? Why don't you do it? You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for three and a half years. Why don't you do it? All you have to do is say, why don't you do it? Why didn't you fix it? 

Donald Trump [00:51:11]
And she has no clue. And you know what I say about her? Why don't you do it? You know, she complains about everything. She's been there for three and a half years. Why don't you do it? All you have to do is say, why don't you do it? Why didn't you fix it? 

Donald Trump [00:51:23]
You could fix it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing, and she won't talk to you, and she won't talk to anybody. She won't be interviewed. 

Donald Trump [00:51:23]
You could fix it right now. Don't, you know, do whatever you're doing, and she won't talk to you, and she won't talk to anybody. She won't be interviewed. 

Theo Von [00:51:31]
She's welcome to come on. I would love to get to talk to her. 

Theo Von [00:51:31]
She's welcome to come on. I would love to get to talk to her. 

Donald Trump [00:51:33]
I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make her exciting, probably. Yeah. I think she. 

Donald Trump [00:51:33]
I'm sure she'd be very exciting. Actually, you could make her exciting, probably. Yeah. I think she. 

Theo Von [00:51:38]
Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard, which is crazy. 

Theo Von [00:51:38]
Somebody said she's a good roller skater. That's what I heard, which is crazy. 

Donald Trump [00:51:41]
That's about it. 

Donald Trump [00:51:41]
That's about it. 

Theo Von [00:51:46]
Look, we're going to wrap it up soon, okay? Is everything okay, Donald? Sorry. Speaking of, speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had two border patrol agents that came on in the past two years, right. Because we wanted to learn about it from people that are there on the ground. And one of the things that we found out was, a lot of times they keep arresting the same people because the people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. 

Theo Von [00:51:46]
Look, we're going to wrap it up soon, okay? Is everything okay, Donald? Sorry. Speaking of, speaking of Kamala and speaking of the border, we had two border patrol agents that came on in the past two years, right. Because we wanted to learn about it from people that are there on the ground. And one of the things that we found out was, a lot of times they keep arresting the same people because the people that are coming in illegally aren't being prosecuted. 

Theo Von [00:52:08]
That's one of the biggest problems. They were saying, what can we do differently to make things safe at the border? It's the fact that a family can't. A father can't sleep at night because he doesn't know who's going through his yard or going through it. It's just not fair. It's not what you sign up for when you're in a marriage. 

Theo Von [00:52:08]
That's one of the biggest problems. They were saying, what can we do differently to make things safe at the border? It's the fact that a family can't. A father can't sleep at night because he doesn't know who's going through his yard or going through it. It's just not fair. It's not what you sign up for when you're in a marriage. 

Theo Von [00:52:26]
What are you going to do differently? 

Theo Von [00:52:26]
What are you going to do differently? 

Donald Trump [00:52:27]
So the borders. Well, I did it. I did it. We had the best border. 

Donald Trump [00:52:27]
So the borders. Well, I did it. I did it. We had the best border. 

Theo Von [00:52:31]
Oh, the wall. They should have kept it. I agree. 

Theo Von [00:52:31]
Oh, the wall. They should have kept it. I agree. 

Donald Trump [00:52:32]
The wall built. We had more going to come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds of miles of wall, and it worked. Walls work, you know, walls and wheels. I say it all the time. Two things, they never get obsolete. 

Donald Trump [00:52:32]
The wall built. We had more going to come beyond, long beyond what I promised. I built hundreds of miles of wall, and it worked. Walls work, you know, walls and wheels. I say it all the time. Two things, they never get obsolete. 

Theo Von [00:52:46]
Well, they. Well, they also supplied infrastructure. Like, people don't understand. The wall also was a place where border patrol agents could go to get water, to get food, to rest. It provided, like, a shelter out there as well. 

Theo Von [00:52:46]
Well, they. Well, they also supplied infrastructure. Like, people don't understand. The wall also was a place where border patrol agents could go to get water, to get food, to rest. It provided, like, a shelter out there as well. 

Donald Trump [00:52:58]
It worked. 

Donald Trump [00:52:58]
It worked. 

Theo Von [00:52:58]
They were in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked. The two that I've spoken to said it worked. 

Theo Von [00:52:58]
They were in the middle of nowhere. They said it worked. The two that I've spoken to said it worked. 

Donald Trump [00:53:02]
And I was going to do 200 miles of wall. We had it built, and we, to the specs, specifications of the border patrol, we were going to put it up, and it would take three weeks to put it up. That's an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that, you know, when you make the wall, then all of a sudden they suck. 

Donald Trump [00:53:02]
And I was going to do 200 miles of wall. We had it built, and we, to the specs, specifications of the border patrol, we were going to put it up, and it would take three weeks to put it up. That's an additional 200 miles to fill up certain areas that, you know, when you make the wall, then all of a sudden they suck. 

Donald Trump [00:53:21]
I mean, through other areas. We had it wired. And they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders. Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders. We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them. 

Donald Trump [00:53:21]
I mean, through other areas. We had it wired. And they wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put it up. And I realized they wanted open borders. Kamala wants open borders. She's going to have open borders. We'll have 50, 60 million people because of them. 

Theo Von [00:53:35]
Sick. 

Theo Von [00:53:35]
Sick. 

Donald Trump [00:53:35]
We have over 20 million people, in my opinion right now, that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails, mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries now, their crime rate is way down because they're sending all their criminals. 

Donald Trump [00:53:35]
We have over 20 million people, in my opinion right now, that came into our country. Many come from prisons, jails, mental institutions, many terrorists. Do you know that other countries now, their crime rate is way down because they're sending all their criminals. 

Theo Von [00:53:50]
It's a party. 

Theo Von [00:53:50]
It's a party. 

Donald Trump [00:53:51]
They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's a horrible. She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was the worst border czar in the history of the world. 

Donald Trump [00:53:51]
They're sending all of their criminals to us. And who would take this? Why is this a good thing? It's a horrible. She should be ashamed. And, you know, she was the border czar, too. He put her in charge. She was the worst border czar in the history of the world. 

Theo Von [00:54:06]
She's a roller skater. That's what somebody told me the other day. 

Theo Von [00:54:06]
She's a roller skater. That's what somebody told me the other day. 

Donald Trump [00:54:09]
She's terrible. 

Donald Trump [00:54:09]
She's terrible. 

Theo Von [00:54:10]
But what are you going to do? What's going to happen with the border when you're back? 

Theo Von [00:54:10]
But what are you going to do? What's going to happen with the border when you're back? 

Donald Trump [00:54:13]
We're going to seal the border. And I had it very well sealed. We're the most successful border in the history of our country. We're going to seal the border. We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it. And we're going to have an unbelievable border, and we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out. 

Donald Trump [00:54:13]
We're going to seal the border. And I had it very well sealed. We're the most successful border in the history of our country. We're going to seal the border. We're going to finish up certain areas of the wall because they didn't do it. And we're going to have an unbelievable border, and we're going to spend a lot of time getting the criminals out. 

Donald Trump [00:54:30]
Look, we have murderers in our country. 

Donald Trump [00:54:30]
Look, we have murderers in our country. 

Theo Von [00:54:32]
Well, I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals. 

Theo Von [00:54:32]
Well, I don't think people should be allowed to be in our country if they're criminals. 

Donald Trump [00:54:35]
Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers. We have people, drug dealers talking about drugs. It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands. 

Donald Trump [00:54:35]
Well, then you're going to be very unhappy to know that we have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands of murderers. We have people, drug dealers talking about drugs. It's not even believable that they'll do it. So what they've done is they've allowed murderers, people in prisons, people in jails, people in mental institutions in San Jose, and terrorists to pour into our country by the hundreds of thousands. 

Donald Trump [00:55:01]
And they are in our country right now. And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to kill you. 

Donald Trump [00:55:01]
And they are in our country right now. And the country that brought them out said, if you ever come back, we're giving you the death penalty or we're going to kill you. 

Theo Von [00:55:08]
In Brooklyn alone, there's a huge, there's a huge building that is housing just haitian people. They're just housing this. Wandering around Brooklyn all the time. My friends are telling they have some. 

Theo Von [00:55:08]
In Brooklyn alone, there's a huge, there's a huge building that is housing just haitian people. They're just housing this. Wandering around Brooklyn all the time. My friends are telling they have some. 

Donald Trump [00:55:17]
Rough people, too, really rough people. 

Donald Trump [00:55:17]
Rough people, too, really rough people. 

Theo Von [00:55:20]
So if you get reelected, the border, you're going to continue that project? 

Theo Von [00:55:20]
So if you get reelected, the border, you're going to continue that project? 

Donald Trump [00:55:24]
Well, I had. 

Donald Trump [00:55:24]
Well, I had. 

Theo Von [00:55:25]
We're going to make sure it's safe. 

Theo Von [00:55:25]
We're going to make sure it's safe. 

Donald Trump [00:55:26]
We had it. We had the safest border. And the best border in the history of our country, and now it's a disaster. 

Donald Trump [00:55:26]
We had it. We had the safest border. And the best border in the history of our country, and now it's a disaster. 

Theo Von [00:55:33]
Biden. Somebody invited Biden to the border, and they said he went to a borders books, dude. And I was like, that's. 

Theo Von [00:55:33]
Biden. Somebody invited Biden to the border, and they said he went to a borders books, dude. And I was like, that's. 

Donald Trump [00:55:37]
Well, they invited her, and she went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know, she's a disaster. She is the worst vice president. It's the worst administration in the history of our country. She's a part of it, and she won't do an interview. She would never do an interview like this. 

Donald Trump [00:55:37]
Well, they invited her, and she went to a place that doesn't have a problem. You know, she's a disaster. She is the worst vice president. It's the worst administration in the history of our country. She's a part of it, and she won't do an interview. She would never do an interview like this. 

Donald Trump [00:55:53]
She won't do an interview. 

Donald Trump [00:55:53]
She won't do an interview. 

Theo Von [00:55:54]
Yeah. I want to learn more about her. 

Theo Von [00:55:54]
Yeah. I want to learn more about her. 

Donald Trump [00:55:55]
Well, I think you should ask her to. Come on. 

Donald Trump [00:55:55]
Well, I think you should ask her to. Come on. 

Theo Von [00:55:58]
Tell baron I said thanks, man. Yeah. 

Theo Von [00:55:58]
Tell baron I said thanks, man. Yeah. 

Donald Trump [00:56:00]
He's a big fan. 

Donald Trump [00:56:00]
He's a big fan. 

Theo Von [00:56:01]
I hope to get to meet him someday. He seems like a neat kid. 

Theo Von [00:56:01]
I hope to get to meet him someday. He seems like a neat kid. 

Donald Trump [00:56:03]
Yeah, he is. He's great. 

Donald Trump [00:56:03]
Yeah, he is. He's great. 

Theo Von [00:56:04]
Is he? Yeah. And, yeah. Thank you for your time. I can't believe that I got to be able to sit down with you. I'm grateful to Dana White as well, for setting this up. And, yeah, I just appreciate you giving me your time today. 

Theo Von [00:56:04]
Is he? Yeah. And, yeah. Thank you for your time. I can't believe that I got to be able to sit down with you. I'm grateful to Dana White as well, for setting this up. And, yeah, I just appreciate you giving me your time today. 

Donald Trump [00:56:18]
Donald Trump, thank you so much. Good luck with your situation. You're going to do it? You beat it, right? Oh, yeah. Good luck with it. 

Donald Trump [00:56:18]
Donald Trump, thank you so much. Good luck with your situation. You're going to do it? You beat it, right? Oh, yeah. Good luck with it. 

Theo Von [00:56:25]
Thank you, brother. 

Theo Von [00:56:25]
Thank you, brother. 

Donald Trump [00:56:25]
Thank you very much. 

Donald Trump [00:56:25]
Thank you very much. 

Theo Von [00:56:27]
Now I'm just falling on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves for 50 years now, hip hop has been a reflection of culture and society. That includes stories of struggle and pain, social injustice, racial inequality, the marginalization of communities. Today, we confront a healthcare system that has been rigged against all of us. 

Theo Von [00:56:27]
Now I'm just falling on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves for 50 years now, hip hop has been a reflection of culture and society. That includes stories of struggle and pain, social injustice, racial inequality, the marginalization of communities. Today, we confront a healthcare system that has been rigged against all of us. 

Donald Trump [00:56:49]
Hospitals force patients to sign contracts for. 

Donald Trump [00:56:49]
Hospitals force patients to sign contracts for. 

Theo Von [00:56:52]
Services without ever showing us actual prices, stifling competition, overcharging without accountability. And if we can't pay, these same. 

Theo Von [00:56:52]
Services without ever showing us actual prices, stifling competition, overcharging without accountability. And if we can't pay, these same. 

Donald Trump [00:57:01]
Contracts allowed them to take everything we own, creating so much fear that millions and millions of Americans refuse to enter. 

Donald Trump [00:57:01]
Contracts allowed them to take everything we own, creating so much fear that millions and millions of Americans refuse to enter. 

Theo Von [00:57:08]
A hospital, putting our health and our lives at stake. This is an american humanitarian crisis. We love our nurses, and we need our doctors. But hospitals and insurance, rigging a system to make profits off of people that's in struggle is unforgivable. We demand prices and transparency in health care. 

Theo Von [00:57:08]
A hospital, putting our health and our lives at stake. This is an american humanitarian crisis. We love our nurses, and we need our doctors. But hospitals and insurance, rigging a system to make profits off of people that's in struggle is unforgivable. We demand prices and transparency in health care. 

Donald Trump [00:57:29]
Power to the patients. 

Donald Trump [00:57:29]
Power to the patients.