Donald Trump on PBD Podcast | October 17, 2024

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Summary by ChatGPT- Anger and Resentment in Politics: Trump claims that many political figures, including Joe Biden and Democrats, are angry and discontented, referencing their actions and attitudes towards elections and policy.- Election Allegations: Trump reiterates his belief that the 2020 election was "stolen" from him, stating that the election results were unjustly taken away from him and labeling it as a "coup," though he admits the term might not fully capture the situation.- Critique of Kamala Harris: Trump criticizes Kamala Harris for her lack of strong public presence and inability to conduct interviews effectively, suggesting she lacks appeal among voters, especially in comparison to past Democratic candidates.- Criminal Justice Reform: Trump highlights his role in passing criminal justice reform, emphasizing the support he garnered from senators to pass legislation that he believes particularly benefited the Black community.- Loyalty in Politics: Trump emphasizes the importance of loyalty, recounting a personal story where a senator who initially opposed criminal justice reform changed his stance out of gratitude for Trumpâ€™s previous support in his election, contrasting this with figures like Van Jones, whom Trump views as ungrateful.

[00:00:00]  Patrick Bet-David 
 So we have a special guest in the house today for the podcast. We've been waiting to do this for a long time. However, whether you love him or hate him, there's one thing you have to know. In my opinion, he is the only trifecta we've ever had in the history of America. Let me tell you why I call him a trifecta. 

[00:00:16]   
 We've, um, only had one person who's won in business and became the king of New York, became a billionaire. That's one. Two, he won in media. Number one show. Ah, apprentice. 15 years in a row. Three, he becomes a president. So you got. He won in business, he won in media, he won in politics. 

[00:00:34]   
 Again. There's never been a person who's done that. Like I said, whether you love him or hate him, you have to respect him. Mister President, it's great to have you. 

[00:00:42]  Donald Trump 
 That was a nice introduction. Thank you very much. 

[00:00:44]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You are a one of one. 

[00:00:45]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. Let's end the show right now. 

[00:00:48]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Okay, so I want to get right into it. I got a lot of questions I want to ask you. Some of it's, uh, personal, some of it's business, some of it's politics. But something happened last week. Barack Obama, he's at this event, he's speaking, and he's given this message about your economy, how great the economy was. 

[00:01:05]   
 And then at the end of it, he says, you know, you didn't build that economy. I built this. I kind of want to get your reaction on this, uh, talk that he's given Rob, if you can put that up, and the reason some people think, wow, I don't know. I remember that economy when he first came in being pretty good. 

[00:01:20]   
 Yeah, it was pretty good because it was my economy. We had had 75 straight months of job, uh, growth that I handed over to him. It wasn't something he did. I spent eight years cleaning up the mess that the Republicans had left me the last time. 

[00:01:38]  Donald Trump 
 So just in case everybody has a. 

[00:01:39]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Hazy memory, he didn't do nothing except those big tax cuts. So how do you feel about this when you see him saying this last week? 

[00:01:49]  Donald Trump 
 I think he's angry. He pretends not to be, but I think he's an angry guy. He's a nasty guy. He's got a little bit of an edge, and he's angry about a lot of things. Uh, you look at what happened with Biden and you look at what he did with Biden. He really hurt Biden because, uh, I'm not sure he wouldn't have imploded anyway. 

[00:02:09]   
 We had the debate and he was down quite a bit and they walked out and they just took it away from him. I mean, if you think about it, they stole the election from a sitting president. Thats, you know, I always say coup, but the word coup, I dont think its accurate enough. 

[00:02:22]   
 They just walked in and took it away from him. Ah, that is a legendary thing. He didnt want to give up. Hes angry now. Theyre uh, all angry, the Democrats. If you think shes angry, theyre both angry. But um, no, I watched that last week and I think he spoke down to black men. 

[00:02:40]   
 I thought it was terrible the way he spoke to him. Uh, but uh, you think it's effective? 

[00:02:45]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You think he still carries the same stick as he did, you know, maybe eight years ago or twelve years ago? 

[00:02:51]  Donald Trump 
 I don't think it is. No, I don't think he does. I think people have gotten smart and um, no, I don't believe he does it all. He's uh, I hadn't seen him. He's changed a lot. Visually. He's changed, I like to say visually as opposed to from the look standpoint, because of course, looks don't matter anymore in politics. 

[00:03:08]   
 You know, you say looks don't matter, it doesn't make any difference because we want to be politically correct. But they do matter. But he's changed. His look has changed actually quite a bit. I haven't seen him in a long time. 

[00:03:18]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And by the way, Rob, I think that's even four years, uh, ago. I think it's even more than four years. 

[00:03:22]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, yeah, well, no, but the statement he just made was a couple of days ago and that, yeah, it was. 

[00:03:26]  Patrick Bet-David 
 A couple of days ago. And it's similar to the statement he made back in 2012 when he told business owners, you didn't build that. Remember when he said that? I don't know if you remember that whole comment. I think this is the speech, Rob, if you want to play this, if. 

[00:03:37]  Donald Trump 
 You got a business that you didn't. 

[00:03:39]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Build that, somebody else made that happen. So this becomes a pattern, a pattern of communism. You see a pattern of communism there? 

[00:03:50]  Donald Trump 
 No, I mean, that's basically the view. You know, we didn't do anything, right. Government did it. Somebody did it. But anybody but us. 

[00:03:58]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Uh, do you think this works with the undecided voter? Do you think the undecided voter that sit in our audience, they're entrepreneurs, they're small business owners, their family, they have kids. They want to win, they got dreams, they want to do something. Do you think a message like that from him lands on the business owner, on the undecided voter, on the person that says, you know what, I think he's right. 

[00:04:17]   
 I'm going to go vote for him. You think it works? 

[00:04:19]  Donald Trump 
 I think you don't have that many undecided voters. I think by now you have very strong Trump voters. I don't think you have strong, you have strong Democrat voters, but I don't think you have strong Kamala voters. What's to vote for? I mean, take a look. She can't do an interview. She hasn't. 

[00:04:35]   
 Has she been in here to do an interview? 

[00:04:37]  Patrick Bet-David 
 No, not yet. 

[00:04:38]  Donald Trump 
 I don't think you'll see her. You know, I have a. 

[00:04:40]  Patrick Bet-David 
 She's claiming she's going to go on Rogan. 

[00:04:41]  Donald Trump 
 Well, that'll be interesting. So am I. I heard, but I think I am. I don't know. I think so. But, uh, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens today with Bret bear. You know, Brett's two people. He can be very nice or he can be, uh, himself. 

[00:04:59]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He was tough on you. If he's tough on her the way he was tough on you, he was very tough on you. 

[00:05:03]  Donald Trump 
 He was always, no, he was always nasty to me. And, um, I don't think he'll be tough on her. I don't think he'll be. Fox is a very disappointing thing during the days. Fox is just terrible. Terrible. 

[00:05:17]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Uh, I want to show something with this. When you look at this whole Barack Obama thing, I think the one thing they don't show. You were talking yesterday. Uh, I think it was the Bloomberg event, which, by the way, I loved. I loved the way you handled the whole terrorist conversation. That was a great event. 

[00:05:30]  Donald Trump 
 Uh, I got hoodwinked to go on that. I was supposed to make a speech in front of the Chicago economic Club, which is a big deal, which is a very prestigious place. Beautiful. Everything was beautiful. And all of a sudden, I understand I'm being interviewed by this gentleman and he's got a reputation for being about, oh, I'd love to see him do, uh, Kamala. 

[00:05:53]   
 He should do Kamala. That would be beautiful. But he's a tough cookie and he's the chairman of Bloomberg. Uh, he's a big guy. So all of a sudden I'm being interviewed and I wasn't happy about it because I found out that he is. His reputation precedes him. Uh, but I decided to do it. 

[00:06:11]   
 You have a choice. Walk out and don't do it and have a scandalous or go in and do it and hopefully win. Or you go and do it and you get killed, which is probably the worst. But, uh, it was a great, it was a great interview, actually. And he was nasty, but he wasn't overly nasty to me. 

[00:06:29]   
 I mean, other people thought he was. I thought Nastier was David Muir. When he kept interrupting me during the debate and saying false things, like when I said, crime is way up, and he said, no, no, crime is down, I said, you're wrong about that. Crime is up. And then two days later, it came out that crime is up. 

[00:06:45]   
 I, uh, mean, to me, that was much nastier than, uh, this gentleman. But it was really a study of business. It was a detailed study of business. 

[00:06:54]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You talking about with the Bloomberg one. 

[00:06:56]  Donald Trump 
 With the Bloomberg. And people loved it. 

[00:06:57]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I agree. The tariff one. And the one thing I wanted to show is the following. So you know how you talked about Jerome Powell? What an easy job. You come once a month and he said, we're going to increase the rates. 

[00:07:06]  Donald Trump 
 Greatest job there. 

[00:07:07]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I think this is the one thing they don't talk about. So Barack Obama got elected November 4. Okay. Quantitative easing started November 26, and it stayed for eight years until you got elected. So if you look at that low, pretty much 0% interest rate, and then you get elected. Right? If you go to January 2016, Rob, for the audience to see that, and then from there, one by one by one, rates are going up, going up, going up, going up, going up, and then Biden comes in, goes back down to zero to try to save the economy. 

[00:07:38]   
 And then, you know, the rest is obviously history. But do you think the average person knows, like, the impact of going to 0%? How, how much does that positively help the impact? It's when fed lowers the rates to half a point. 

[00:07:50]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, it has a huge impact. The power of the fed is, I think, pretty strong. Some people disagree with it. They think it, you know, it's overridden by the interest rate climate. But I think the power of the Fed is very strong. It's an interesting graph, actually. 

[00:08:03]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Yeah. This just shows that the rates didn't help you, you know, when he says. 

[00:08:06]  Donald Trump 
 It was, well, they didn't use them to help me. 

[00:08:08]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Right. 

[00:08:09]  Donald Trump 
 And Powell, I, uh, gave him a hard time because he was raising them. And I, uh, was never a big fan of his. He was late and he was early. He was too early and too late. Um, but I had the greatest economy in history. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country. 

[00:08:26]   
 Despite that. This is another thing I can say, despite the fact that they weren't very high, but they were reasonably high. And, uh, despite the rates not being at zero, I, uh, had a pretty good, uh, I had a great. We had a great run. 

[00:08:41]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Following up on the Barack Obama question. When I think about the 2024 election, I saw some numbers that came out, which I thought was fascinating. Rob, if you can pull this up from CNN. So this is CNN reporting on this just two days ago. Okay, Barack Obama, when it comes down to black men ages 18 to 44, he was up 81 points in November of 2012. 

[00:09:02]   
 Clinton, Hillary was up 63 when she went against you. Um, Biden was up 53. Kamala, who is apparently black, she's up 41. 

[00:09:12]  Donald Trump 
 What do you mean by apparently? 

[00:09:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I mean, that's what they're telling us. We're supposed to believe she's black. 

[00:09:16]  Donald Trump 
 It's much better that. No, no, see, I would never say a thing like that. But you say, don't explain to what you mean. I don't want to put you in trouble. Yeah, well, I mean, I was going to throw it onto your shoulders, apparently. Well, no, you know, you could explain it, because I understand. 

[00:09:32]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I'm very comfortable explaining it because overnight, you know, she's doing a show, she's supposed to be Indiana, and then all of a sudden, now it's black, but it's not landing with the average American. So if you look at, do you think, black men. 

[00:09:43]  Donald Trump 
 That's why she's not doing well. 

[00:09:45]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Watch some people say that in 2016, you had 13%, uh, of male black voters, 18 to 44. In 2020, you had 18%. In 2024, you're at 26%. It's doubled in eight years. The question I'm asking you is the following. Back in 19, 60, 60, um, 4% of African Americans would vote Democrat. The other was pretty much conservative. 

[00:10:09]   
 African Americans have historically been very conservative. Okay, Barry Goldwater, the issue happens. 1964, uh, it goes from 64% Democrat, uh, to 92%. And it's been between 85% to 92% since 1964. Right. You've come in and you've shaken things up. Do you think 2024 is going to be one of those moments where african american men, they're like, listen, I'm sick and tired of Democrats feeling like they own me. 

[00:10:38]   
 I think I'm going to go to the other side. Do you think 2024 could be one of those years that we look back and say, they lost the african american vote? 

[00:10:45]  Donald Trump 
 They really lost it for a while, the Republicans. I mean, it started, I guess, with Barry Goldwood, if you look at the charts. But, uh, I did criminal justice reform, thats a big thing. Theyve been trying to get it. You know, I saw a guy named Van Jones. Hes uh, not any, I dont think anybody knows who he is. 

[00:11:03]   
 Hes a commentator for CNN. And he came to see me in the White House and he was crying. I remember that he was crying because he, I just, I bring these things up because its a lack of, I dont know, theres something about loyalty. You help somebody with something. Uh, he came in with a fairly, uh, large group of people, uh, mostly black people, and he was devastated because criminal justice reform wasnt going to happen. 

[00:11:35]   
 Uh, Obama didnt do it and didnt even come close. Bush didnt try. Nobody was going to do it. And im the only one that could have done it. He was with a group of people that was uh, they were begging to do it. They were five votes short and they had to be conservative votes because there was nobody else left, right. 

[00:11:59]   
 And I guess you needed the 61 or 60 something, maybe 66. But 61 is a hard vote. And he made a plea to me, Van Jones, total sleazebag. He made a plea to me to help him and help this group of people. And they explained how for years they've been trying to get it and they've been unable to get it. 

[00:12:23]   
 And I said, uh, well, let's take a look at it. And um, I studied it for a little while and spoke uh, to them and I said, you know what? I'm going to help you. It's going to help the black people in particular, and I'm going to get it for you guys. And I called up five very conservative senators and ill never forget one of the senators who was in charge of it. 

[00:12:47]   
 He was literally leading the charge against it. And I mean, his whole career was this. He was going to stop criminal justice reform, not because he was uh, you know, anti black, just he didnt like it, he didnt want it. And he was in the papers every day. Hes fighting and fighting it, winning very easily. 

[00:13:08]   
 And I helped him get elected. Without me, he wouldn't have gotten elected. I'll never forget it. I called him up. Now he's in the heat of passion. He is fighting this all the way. Not something he would ever give up. You couldn't, you know, there's some things you can I call him up. 

[00:13:27]   
 He gets on the phone, I didn't say a word. I said hello. And he goes, um, im giving it to you. I said, what are you giving me? Im giving you criminal justice reform. Thats why youre calling. Right. I said, it is why Im calling. He said, you got me elected. I disagree with you, but im giving it you just like that. 

[00:13:51]   
 I said, thats one of the coolest things ive ever heard. Because I also have the opposite where I got a lot of people elected, you know, when I endorse somebody in history, and I dont want to brag, but in history, you can get another chart on that one. I mean, im like 289 and almost nothing for endorsements. 

[00:14:11]   
 And he said, you got me elected. I wouldnt even be here if it wasnt for you. And I did. But I got a lot of people elected, and some of them forget. And I said, thats the coolest thing. I said, thank you. I said, do you mind if I call a couple of the, no, you do whatever you want. 

[00:14:28]   
 Now this is a guy who was the leader of the fight. I didn't even ask. He knew what I was calling for because he knew m that I was going to help Van Jones, this Van Jones guy. I was going to help him. And you'll understand why I'm being nasty to him now, because what happened later is disgraceful. 

[00:14:47]   
 So, uh, I said, thank you very much, senator. I'm so happy that I did help you. I think loyalty is a great thing. And that was the end. So I had his vote. I then called four other guys, uh, all of whom were against it, and I said, I'd love to have. And, you know, uh, they don't do it for a lot of presidents, but they do it for me. 

[00:15:08]   
 And I got them five votes that they needed. And criminal justice reform passed right then. And I was happy for them. I was happy for everybody. Everybody was happy. They couldn't believe they got it done. And it was something that really, uh, the black population wanted far more than anybody else. I've never even heard it mentioned with other people. 

[00:15:31]   
 It was mostly the black population. And they've been fighting it for like, what? We'd say 40, 50 years, right? 

[00:15:37]  Patrick Bet-David 
 64. So, yeah, 40, 50 years. Yeah, yeah. 

[00:15:40]  Donald Trump 
 So I got it done. I got something done. I got a lot of things done that nobody else could have gotten done. So what happens is, um, Van Jones and all, they called for a news conference at nine. The vote was taken. They got it done. And I said to my wife, come on over here. 

[00:15:56]   
 This is beautiful. This is a beautiful thing to watch. Watch. This gentleman, um, was in my office a number of weeks ago, and he needed votes, and I got it done. It'll be nice to watch somebody really say something nice about your husband. I said that to, uh, Melania. And, uh, I said, watch this. 

[00:16:17]   
 And they got up and they spoke, but Van Jones got up, and it was a little, I don't get too embarrassed. He got up, he thanked this one, he thanked that one, he thanked this one, this one, that one, that one. The only one he didn't thank was Donald Trump. And I look at that sleazebag now, and I say, ah, he's got bad way, bad way. 

[00:16:43]   
 I looked at him then. I saw him last night, and he was on CNN, which is dying, by the way, in the ratings because they have people like him on. And I watched him last night say how he hopes I'll be defeated, and, um, we should defeat him. We have to fight him. 

[00:17:02]   
 He should be allowed to be. And I said, you know, normally, uh, I'd say I wish I had that vote back, but I did the right thing. 

[00:17:11]  Patrick Bet-David 
 But why do I think he praised you? Why do I think he got emotional crying, giving, um, you credit about what you did? 

[00:17:18]  Donald Trump 
 I don't know. I don't know. All I can tell you is he was crying in my office. That's probably what you heard before he got it. He was crying. He was literally, they went over to him with handkerchiefs. He was crying. Tears were pouring down his eyes. Before, but after, he wasnt crying. 

[00:17:35]   
 Not that I know, but. So he didnt mention me the night, um, of the news conference? He was leading the news conference, and I dont need it. I get mentioned plenty of times, et cetera, et cetera. But I watched last night. Its a good place to say this, actually. Its better than writing out a truth, whatever. 

[00:17:54]   
 But I watched last night and I watched him talk about how I must be defeated, you know, I'm a bad guy or something. 

[00:18:02]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And Van Jones is saying this? 

[00:18:03]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, yeah. Uh, he said it last night. I saw him last night. I don't watch CNN, honestly, I don't watch it. But I happen to be, you know, I'm passing it and I see him on and I watched him talking about essentially negative about me, you know, what difference does it make? Nobody cares what they do. 

[00:18:17]   
 They have, uh, they've been fighting me for years. And, you know, I became president. I did much better the second time than I did the first, and now I'm doing it the third time. Uh, if the elections not rigged, uh, were going to win, if it is rigged, I guess thats a different story, but well find out pretty soon. 

[00:18:35]   
 Um, but I watched this guy last night against me, even if he was a little against me. But he wasnt. He was like, we have to defeat Trump. We have to defeat him. And ive watched him a little bit over the years, and every time I watch him, I say, what a sleazeback he is, what a bad guy. 

[00:18:52]   
 But I did it for black people. I did it for, it was purely the only people that told me about criminal justice reform were, uh, African Americans, thats all. And I did it for them. I also did historically black colleges and universities. And, um, I got them financing. I would see, uh, the heads of colleges come down after two years. 

[00:19:15]   
 They would come to Washington, like 45, 50 people, a group. Theyd always come in a big group. And I got to know them a little bit because they had to come through my office to get funding. And after the second time, I said to them, why do you keep coming down here for funding? 

[00:19:33]   
 Dont they give you. He said, no, they make us feel like beggars. That was the term. And a couple of them I got really frightened. Some of them I still see a little bit. And I said, uh, what does that mean? Every year we come down for funding for the black colleges and universities, and they play a great role, a very important role, in my opinion. 

[00:19:56]   
 So I said, so you mean every year you come down, we do, uh, we come down together and we go and see senators and congressmen and we try seeing a president. But I got to know him, and I said, you know, this is no way to live. Will you come down? And I ended up getting them more money than they even wanted. 

[00:20:15]   
 And I got it done, and I got it long term. And I said, fellas, I just got this done for you, and I want to tell you a little secret. I'm unhappy about it. They said, why? I said, because I'll probably never see you again. You'll never come down to Washington to see me. 

[00:20:32]   
 And I meant that actually in a friendly way because I got used to seeing them. They were always coming down looking for money. I took care of their needs long term, more money than they wanted. I said, you're going to need more money than that. And, uh, I got it for them. And, uh, I think that's why black men really like me, and I think black women do, too. 

[00:20:53]   
 But they have a woman who is black, although you would say she's indian, but, uh, she is black, but she really, a lot of people didn't know, which is true, but I learned about. 

[00:21:07]  Patrick Bet-David 
 It just a couple months ago, maybe m, you know, the fact that she's. 

[00:21:10]  Donald Trump 
 Black or that she's indian, the fact that she's black. 

[00:21:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I thought she was indian until a couple months ago. Things changed. 

[00:21:15]  Donald Trump 
 A lot of people, because if you. 

[00:21:17]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Follow baseball, Sammy Sosa kind of, you know, you sometimes have to respect people. They change. Right? So I thought maybe she was doing a Sammy sosa the other way. 

[00:21:24]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah. Sammy's chasing. 

[00:21:25]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Right. 

[00:21:26]  Donald Trump 
 People chasing. 

[00:21:26]  Patrick Bet-David 
 If you remember Sammy Sosa. 

[00:21:28]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, uh. He could hit the ball. 

[00:21:29]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He could hit the ball. 66 home runs. 

[00:21:31]  Donald Trump 
 Seriously, he would. 

[00:21:31]  Patrick Bet-David 
 But I want to show you this, and by the way, the only reason I'm going to show you this is because I think Van Jones is scared of giving you credit. This is what Van Jones said after what you did. And it was the most uncomfortable moment on CNN because he had to. 

[00:21:44]   
 Thank you. If you can play this clip, Rob, I think this is the clip. Go forward. Do you think this is, by the way, one of your partners in working on this? 

[00:21:51]  Donald Trump 
 This is one, Rob, Jared Kushner, who. 

[00:21:54]  Patrick Bet-David 
 This is how many years ago? This is the date on this. 

[00:21:57]  Donald Trump 
 Five years ago, December 18, 2018. Okay, so you just got that? That's pretty. 

[00:22:01]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Yeah. So this is six years ago. If you can play this clip. 

[00:22:03]  Donald Trump 
 Father went to prison. And who fought on this as hard as that? This is history. This is history. Right now, you're witnessing history on the floor of the US Senate. There's a Christmas miracle underway, where for the first time in a generation, Republicans and Democrats are arm in arms tonight, saying we are sending too many people to prison. 

[00:22:22]   
 They're coming out bitter and not better. We want to make a tremendous difference. I want to say Hakeem Jeffries, uh, on the left, Jared Kushner and Donald Trump, on the right, have brought together a coalition like I've never seen. 

[00:22:34]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He gave you credit, literally. 

[00:22:36]  Donald Trump 
 The, uh, National association of Manufacturers, Fox News. I never said I'm glad you see. 

[00:22:41]  Patrick Bet-David 
 That, because to me, you see, when I think about him, obviously, you know his history. He was close to Obama, communists, all that stuff he had to kind of drop. But at the same time, they don't want him saying something like this. I, uh, want to give Jeffreys, Jared, and you to give that credit. 

[00:22:56]   
 This is the part where even Dems are sitting there saying, how the hell do we argue against the fact that a republican president that we're not supposed to, like, did this cut him off? Just give him 30 seconds, 40 seconds. Let's go to the next topic to bash him again. But it was kind of great to see Van Jones saying this about you. 

[00:23:11]  Donald Trump 
 It was. But again, uh, right after that, he. It was over. 

[00:23:15]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He has to go back. 

[00:23:16]  Donald Trump 
 So he has to go back. And a real man would not have done that. And I'm glad I saw that. It really doesn't mean anything because he said it, and then after that, he took it back. 

[00:23:28]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I want to show you something. And this kind of goes maybe to the next point. So yesterday, a new Gallup poll came out. Okay, if you look at this Gallup poll, this is literally from yesterday. Americans trust in mass media. From 72 to 2024, it officially hit the lowest in the history we're talking ever. 

[00:23:46]   
 Not, not, uh, one of the lowest. This is the lowest ever in the history of America. Americans don't trust mass m media anymore. And even recently, I don't know if you saw the numbers that came out two weeks ago. I'm sure you follow some of the stuff. Every one of the guys at CNN, MSNBC, they're all getting a lower salary when they're renewing their contract. 

[00:24:04]   
 They're not getting paid the kind of money that we're making. And by the way, you may not like me saying this to you, but I think, I kind of want to see your reaction to this. I know a lot of people will say, well, you know, he has, uh, uh, uh, XYZ amount of felonies charged, 91, 53 were dismissed, 32 is this. 

[00:24:22]   
 And twelve are the ones that are remaining. I think the only one that Letitia James, uh, Jack Smith, and maybe even Fannie, if they wanted to claim that you did commit a crime, is you kind of did kill mainstream media, if you think about it. 

[00:24:38]  Donald Trump 
 I did. 

[00:24:38]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And that could be a crime for those guys. Yeah. 

[00:24:40]  Donald Trump 
 I'm very proud of it. 

[00:24:41]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And I want to show you this clip because this is the first time ever the phrase fake news was ever used. And from this moment on is when the decline started. Rob, if you can go in and play this clip. 

[00:24:51]  Donald Trump 
 Speaker two, since you're attacking us, can you give us a question since you're no. Mister President elect. Go ahead. President elect, since you are attacking our news organization, not can you give us a chance? You are attacking our news organization. Ask a question. Sir. Go ahead. Sir, can you state. Mister President elect. 

[00:25:08]   
 Go ahead, mister President elect, can you give us a. Don't be rude. Attacking us. 

[00:25:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Can you give us a question? 

[00:25:14]  Donald Trump 
 Don't be rude. I'm not going to give you a question. Can you state category you are fake news? Sir. Go ahead. Can you state categorically that nobody. No, mister president elect, that's not appropriate. 

[00:25:26]  Patrick Bet-David 
 So if you can. 

[00:25:27]  Donald Trump 
 But isn't that disgusting? Think of it. And that would never happen to a Democrat. But isn't that disgusting? He's a lowlife. Uh, the guy. And as you know. But, uh, and he has his own show. He gets no ratings at all. Nobody on CNN gets ratings. Uh, but isn't it a discussion? I'm just watching that. 

[00:25:46]   
 And isn't it a shame that people can behave that way against the president? And, uh, yeah, uh, I think I'm responsible for those numbers up there where they went down, and frankly, I'm proud of it because I also am responsible for the term fake news. And that's a great term, but it's not strong enough. 

[00:26:08]   
 I think it's corrupt. News is a better term, but it doesn't play as well. But they're corrupt people and disgusting people. But he is, um. Well, he wasn't as bad as some. I mean, in a certain way, he was louder, but he wasn't as smart as some. Um. I mean, some are much smarter. 

[00:26:24]   
 He's not as smart. 

[00:26:25]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Did you think you were going to say fake news, or was it just kind of came out and then it stuck? You're like, this is going to stick. Was it intentional? 

[00:26:32]  Donald Trump 
 I don't know if that's the first time I've used it, but I do get credit for having, you know, having been an originator of the term. I mean, you know, a lot of times I come up with. I have a very fertile mind. I come up with very good names for people. 

[00:26:46]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Very creative. 

[00:26:47]  Donald Trump 
 Pocahontas. Yes, lots of good names. But, you know, I don't know if that's the first time, but I thought of that term often and more. So, uh, as I was running, you know, I actually used to get great press when I was an entrepreneur. I would get very glamorous press, very beautiful press. 

[00:27:05]   
 I went the exact opposite, and I was amazed, and I really learned how corrupt it was. I didn't think of it as that corrupt because I'd do something and they give me credit. Um, but, uh, no, uh, I had a very different life, actually, when you think about it. But then I run for president. 

[00:27:24]   
 Um, 92% of the people that run for president, presidents, 92%, were politicians and 8% were generals. So I wasn't a politician. I wasn't a general. So I was the only one that wasn't in that group. No, there were no admirals. Uh, they were all either politicians or they were sort of an interesting point. 

[00:27:46]   
 Most people don't know that. Some people said, that's interesting. 

[00:27:48]  Patrick Bet-David 
 That makes sense, because even Reagan would be a politician. Because he was a two term governor. 

[00:27:52]  Donald Trump 
 He was a politician, right? 

[00:27:52]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He was a politician. 

[00:27:54]  Donald Trump 
 There were some that were businessmen, but they then ran for the Senate or they were in Congress and they went from there to the presidency. But, um, nobody ever went right to the presidency. I never ran for office. All of a sudden I'm president. And I really learned about the press early and the hard way because I went from one extreme to the other. 

[00:28:13]   
 I got great press. And then all of a sudden I was treated like by a moron like that. And I really, I fought them very hard. They're very dishonest. They're very corrupt. Not all of them, but a big percentage of them. Um, I would say, um, in the eighties, that's a lot. That's a lot. 

[00:28:34]   
 Big percentage. They're very corrupt. Very corrupt. 

[00:28:37]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Have they watched? Has it always been the case? You've been around mains, you've been around, you know, media, uh, tv. 

[00:28:43]  Donald Trump 
 I don't think it's ever been like this. Yeah, I've been around it for a long time. I don't think it's ever been like this. 

[00:28:46]  Patrick Bet-David 
 When do you think it's, you know. 

[00:28:47]  Donald Trump 
 When I started off, Patrick, I used to have a story written about me, and without fail, somebody would call after the story was written but not published. And they were called fact checkers. Hello, sir, we're calling about a story that we wrote about you. Is it true that you own this and is it true that you did this and, uh, that you spent, uh, x dollars? 

[00:29:11]   
 Could we check that number? Blah, blah, blah. And it would go on for a while to a point where you'd get somebody else to just do it. But they, without fail, I'd have, if there were any details in a story, not always, but if there were any details, always. And they were called fact checkers. 

[00:29:26]   
 Hello, sir, my name's, uh, Jim Smith. I'm a fact checker for the New York Times. And they checked the facts of a story and I think they at least, at least were trying to be real. I haven't had a fact checker, uh, call me in 30 years. They don't call anymore. 

[00:29:43]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Do you think that's because of the fairness Doctrine act of 1987? Because prior to that, media platforms had to actually give both sides of the story, and then once that was dropped, they lost the accountability. They could say whatever they want to say and it was kind of free for all. Let me go after them. 

[00:30:01]   
 But for you, when you became a president, you know, uh, uh, if someone's running for office, you have to sit there and think about issues. Here's what I'm running on wall, border, you know, economy, XYZ, great. Obama, uh, I'm gonna go after healthcare, Jimmy Carter, I'm gonna go human rights. You pick and choose what you're running for. 

[00:30:21]   
 But there's also an element of uh, who are gonna be my allies, who are gonna be my enemies. Did you sit there and say, the enemy of the people is media, I'm gonna go after them? Or did you say, no, this happened accidentally? Was this intentional or was it accidental? 

[00:30:36]  Donald Trump 
 I think it's just long term happened. It morphed into it. I don't think they said, I'm talking about you though. Yeah, for me, look, I'm the worst case because there's nobody been abused like I have. And I don't think, although I guess probably some, but for a shorter period of time. There's nobody for over such a long. 

[00:30:56]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You even thought about it. Who do you think for sure, I'd. 

[00:31:00]  Donald Trump 
 Have to think short term people have been abused over one deal and they're gone or something. 

[00:31:06]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I got it. 

[00:31:06]  Donald Trump 
 But I've been, you know, I've been doing this for a long time and I abused them also. So, you know, I do that. 

[00:31:11]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Did you say, did you target them and say, I'm gonna go attack media and I'm gonna go after them? Is that part of strategy that you had or no, that was just, no, if you come after me, I'm gonna come after you? 

[00:31:20]  Donald Trump 
 No, I think it's a natural instinct with me, you know, like it would be for you and other people that know how to win a little bit. 

[00:31:25]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Sure. 

[00:31:26]  Donald Trump 
 Um, no, but I really saw it in politics. I would tell them something and they would write the opposite. I said, what's that all about? I called up, um, the Washington Post was treating me very bad. New York Times is probably the worst, but the two of them are really bad. And I know how to deal with the press. 

[00:31:47]   
 I'm a professional, I'm a smart guy and I know. So I said, watch, I'm going to call the press in Washington Post during my first or second, uh, year. And I said, I'm going to call the washing Post. I'm not going to joke, I'm not going to be cute, I'm not going to be a wise guy. 

[00:32:04]   
 I'm going to just call him in and I want to talk and I'm going to explain what a great job I've done on different things like the economy. I had a great economy all, and I called him in. I was very nice. I didn't say like. I didn't say, hey, how's it going? 

[00:32:21]   
 Everything was really professional. The numbers were fantastic. Everything was perfect. And I treated them with great respect, shook their hand, and it was over. Um, and the next day, they wrote a horrible story, and I said, there is no way around it. And usually it's the liberal side, and I don't understand it, really. 

[00:32:44]   
 Why wouldn't they want to have a strong border? I don't understand them because usually, like, in business, you'll understand why somebody wants something. Why wouldn't they want to have a strong border? Why do they want to have men playing in women's sports? I watched the Olympics, and two people transitioned into womanhood. Two people, they went from man to woman, and they were into boxing, and they beat the hell out of everyone. 

[00:33:10]   
 They won the gold medal. But, uh, weightlifting records that held for 18 years, a quarter of an ounce on each side. You've seen me do it. Probably because it's so cool. I mean, weightlifting is so easy to, you know, it's so descriptive, right? How could you be better than that? Like, golf is a little bit harder because you have to sink putts. 

[00:33:31]   
 That's different. Women can putt, but they can't lift, you know, 450 pounds over their head. And the weightlifting record that stood for 1819 years gets broken by 100 pounds. You know, I mean, they put, like, a little. To take this top of this pen. See that pen? That thing weighs, like, an 8th of an ounce. 

[00:33:51]   
 And they'd put one over here and one. They couldn't do it for 18 years. And a guy comes along. It's crazy. 

[00:33:59]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I mean, the border could make sense, though, if you want to say, like, why would they want the border to be made? 

[00:34:03]  Donald Trump 
 Why do they want an open argument. 

[00:34:04]  Patrick Bet-David 
 To be made there? 

[00:34:05]  Donald Trump 
 Well, why do they want an open border with no check in? In other words, there's nobody vetted. Nobody checked. And as you heard, two weeks ago, the border patrol put out the numbers. They weren't supposed to, but they did because they had to. Because they had to inherently. You know, they endorsed me. 

[00:34:21]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I saw that. 

[00:34:22]  Donald Trump 
 They endorsed me. 100% unanimous. Like, a massive, a full. They said, he's the greatest in the history of. I had the best border in the history of the country. I had the best economy in the history of the country. But you take a look at some of these stats. So, yesterday, a young woman's playing volleyball. 

[00:34:39]   
 You saw that chart. I. And he got hit by a hard shot, by a man, a man who transitioned, there's been many of those. 

[00:34:47]  Patrick Bet-David 
 If there was a new one yesterday. 

[00:34:48]  Donald Trump 
 She got hit in the head. She didn't know where she was. She said, I've never seen a ball traveled at that speed before. But here's. Why do they want that? I don't understand that. Usually you understand, like, somebody wants something, you try and figure it out, and you could go through a lot of things. 

[00:35:05]   
 Why do they want transgender? Uh. Why do they want to take somebody's child, a boy, and make the boy into a girl and not tell the parents? I mean, they do this, and at first I said, no, no, but that's just an exaggeration. No, it's not. It's really not. 

[00:35:23]  Patrick Bet-David 
 State of California. 

[00:35:23]  Donald Trump 
 What? Why do they want to. Yeah. Well, look at California. Gavin Newscomb, who's one of the worst governors, but he's got a good line of stuff, and he'll tell everyone how well he's done, but it's the first time they've ever lost more people than they gained. You know, they look, they have such an advantageous. 

[00:35:39]   
 The beautiful ocean, the beautiful weather. Everything is beautiful, and they run it so badly with all of the problems, they run it. So he's a crummy governor, but why is it so yesterday? And who would sign the bill to even present it to him? He signed a bill that you're not even allowed to ask for voter id. 

[00:35:58]   
 In other words, it's not like you can't have voter id. That's terrible, because everybody should have voter id. You have id for everything. The Democrats had big id. You know, when they had their convention, a friend of mine couldn't get in. He said he doesn't have the proper credentials. They want voter id. 

[00:36:14]   
 They had a strong id. They had an idea that you had to wear, like, a prisoner wears the number. It was like this big card with a picture and everything over there, tie. So they have it for the Democrat national Convention. Right. But they don't want to have it for the vote. Uh, but Gavin Newscomb signed a thing that was incredible. 

[00:36:34]   
 He signed a bill that if you ask somebody for identification having to do with voting, I think you've committed a crime. Okay, now, there's only one reason that that happens. Because they want to cheat. There's no other reason. There's no conceivable. 

[00:36:52]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Are you surprised? I mean, part of me is not surprised with that. I'm not sitting there thinking, I'm surprised with what some of these states are doing. California. I mean, you know, there's a reason why he lost a. Two states lost a trillion dollars of money under management. Uh, from 2020, New York and California, they got destroyed. 

[00:37:08]   
 And the first time they had net to negative migration in California since 1851, it hasn't happened. Then they got it back to back to back. And he just announced two days ago that he's raising gas taxes by $0.47 in the state of California. No wonder people are leaving. But I want to go to the. 

[00:37:24]  Donald Trump 
 Tariffs conversation, because he doesn't want gas vehicles. He wants to use all electricity. 

[00:37:28]  Patrick Bet-David 
 It's not going to work for him. M though. It's not going to work for him. They're going to get destroyed. I mean, he's already lost Musk. How do you lose Tesla? How do you lose Musk out of your stock? 

[00:37:36]  Donald Trump 
 I asked Elon, he takes this massive company, and he left California. I just asked him this question yesterday. I said, when you left, because he's got a good thing in Texas. I said, when you left, did Newsom News come? I call him Newscomb because I think it's a more accurate name. Gavin Newsom. 

[00:37:54]   
 Um, call and say, can we talk? I want to take you out to dinner. I want you to keep your company. He said, he never called. 

[00:38:02]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Your biggest entrepreneur in your state leaves, you don't call. 

[00:38:05]  Donald Trump 
 Number one, biggest guy. Number two, big company. Very big company. But a big oil company left also taking thousands of jobs. 

[00:38:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Wow. 

[00:38:14]  Donald Trump 
 But my question wasn't that he left for whatever. Did anybody ever call? He said, no. I said, did newscomb, uh, call you at all? Did he, like, call and say, like, can we have dinner? I'd love you to stay here, and we'll work out some tax benefits or something, you know, some incentive to stay. 

[00:38:33]   
 Uh, he said, never call. I was amazed at that. And you're talking about thousands of workers and prestige and having Elon is. 

[00:38:40]  Patrick Bet-David 
 That is wild that you're losing. You don't make the phone call. 

[00:38:42]  Donald Trump 
 You know, Elon endorsed me very strongly a while ago, and there's no stronger endorsement. He said that if Trump doesn't get elected, this country is going down the tubes. It might not ever survive. He says, the most important election. I was honored, but I was amazed because I asked him two days ago, I said, did anybody make a play to keep you? 

[00:39:05]   
 Now think of it. You would if you were governor. You heard a big companies leaving. I would. 

[00:39:09]  Patrick Bet-David 
 First phone call. 

[00:39:09]  Donald Trump 
 At least your calling. Is there anything we can do to keep you? Right. 

[00:39:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You know what I like about, uh, and, uh, I do want to go to the tariffs and I think this is a great transition. Tim cook, they asked him, they said, why would you have a meeting with President Trump? Uh, because he's the only president that called me. Oh, okay. Let's talk about something else. 

[00:39:27]   
 Of course he's gonna have a meeting with if the guy's calling, why wouldn't you call the CEO of your, uh, you know, $3 trillion company? 

[00:39:33]  Donald Trump 
 But I spoke to tim m. Cook. 

[00:39:35]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Tim, I think he's a, uh, I think he's a quality CEO. Go for it. So if, uh, uh, when did you talk to him? Like how recent? 

[00:39:45]  Donald Trump 
 2 hours ago. 

[00:39:46]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Okay. 

[00:39:46]  Donald Trump 
 He called me. I didn't call him. And, uh, let me give you just a little, the nice part about this long format. You can talk. It's very nice. There's something very. As opposed to bing, bing, bing, bing. This wife long format is working. But I just talked to him. But I believe that if Tim Cook didn't run Apple, if Steve Jobs did, it wouldn't maybe, but it wouldn't be nearly as successful. 

[00:40:12]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Wow, what a statement to do. 

[00:40:13]  Donald Trump 
 I think so, because I think Tim Cook has done, I think Tim Cook's done an amazing job. And I'm not knocking Steve Jobs. I just think that it wouldn't have been. So tell you a couple of stories. So about second, uh, term of second year, I get a call and they say, tim Cook's on the phone. 

[00:40:34]   
 He calls, he said, could I see you, sir? He's the head of Apple and I was born in Queens. And I said, oh, the head of Apple wants to see me. Let's go. I guess even though I'm president still, I was born in Queensland and the head of Apple's calling. And by that time it was the largest company in the world. 

[00:40:49]   
 You know, it's large in terms of value at that time. I don't know what it is now, but it was. So he comes in to see me and it was about tariffs. He said, um, you know, you're charging us 25% because I was going to charge them because we're out of China. And the problem is, um, we can't compete with Samsung because they didn't have to pay tariffs because they weren't in China and they were in South Korea. 

[00:41:15]   
 And he said, it's, uh, not really possible for me. And I did waivers, you know, standard waivers. It's not possible for me to compete with them if I have to pay a tax and they don't, to get our product into the United States. I said, I agree with you. It didn't take long. 

[00:41:31]   
 I mean, I'm, you know, I got, I sort of got it right. And I said, I'm going to give you a waiver. And I gave him a waiver, but I said, I'm going to give you a one year waiver, but I want you to start building your plants in the United States. And he said, all right. 

[00:41:46]   
 And he actually did. He built one in Texas. He would have built a lot more, but we had a thing called, uh, uh, a change in the administration, which is so horrible what happened, because, uh, Russia would have never happened. With Ukraine, October 7 would have never happened. Inflation would have never happened. 

[00:42:04]   
 Afghanistan, we would have gotten out sooner actually than him, but Afghanistan would have never happened as we know. All of these things would have never think of the difference in this company. No inflation. We would have been so rich because we were going for the, we would have had four to five times the production that they have right now. 

[00:42:22]   
 They lost the production and then they got it back because the whole thing was cratering because oil went up to seven, $8 a gallon. So Tim Cook called, then about a year later he called again on something else. He said, could I see you? Uh, now, most companies send in, uh, lobbyists that get paid millions and millions of dollars to talk for them. 

[00:42:44]   
 And they probably say, we know Trump, we can talk, but they dont. You know, for the most part they dont. And Tim Cook called me up directly and he did it himself, didnt have to pay ten cents. And I gave him 100% of what he wanted because he was right. I mean, you cant compete with Samsung and ones paying a tax, but I said, you got to gradually move your company here. 

[00:43:03]   
 But then 2 hours ago, 3 hours ago, he called me, he said, I'd like to talk to you about something. What? He said, uh, the European Union has just fined us $15 billion. I said that's a lot. I know the feeling because I get fined too in fake cases, but I don't know if his case is fake yet, but it's a lot. 

[00:43:26]   
 Then on top of that, they got fined by the European Union another $2 billion. So he's a $17 to $18 billion fine. I even said about apple, can you pay that? I mean, do you have that kind? That's a lot of money. And he said something that was interesting. He said, they're using that to run their enterprise, meaning Europe is their enterprise. 

[00:43:48]   
 And I said, that's a lot. I said, but Tim, I got to get elected first, but I'm not going to let them take advantage of our companies. That won't be happening. Uh, I talked about yesterday, I talked about something that's very important. I don't know if it got, uh. China was building massive plants in Mexico, Hafusan. 

[00:44:08]   
 And I let them massive the biggest plants in the world. And my friend was actually building it. 

[00:44:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 It's the one right there. 

[00:44:15]  Donald Trump 
 Oh, it's massive. Guess what? They're not building it anymore. You know that, right? 

[00:44:20]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Right. I heard. 

[00:44:22]  Donald Trump 
 Because of me. And if they built that, there would be no more Detroit. 

[00:44:26]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Mhm. 

[00:44:27]  Donald Trump 
 Now, Detroit has been decimated over the years, um, but there would be no more Detroit. So they're building massive plants in Mexico. China's building them, and they're going to make cars, sell them across the border, and destroy every automobile manufacturer. Even in South Carolina and other places, Tennessee, they're going to destroy. You wouldn't have one auto making company. 

[00:44:50]   
 And what did I do? I said two months ago, if they do that, I will put a 100 or 200 or 2000% tariff on these cars and they will never enter America. And that was it. And I said that four or five times during four or five speeches. And I met the man that's building the plants two days ago when I was in Detroit at the economic club of Detroit, making a speech, talking about how we're, uh, going to bring our car industry back, which is easy to do. 

[00:45:22]   
 All you have to do is the proper incentives. And I mean, keeping Elon would have been easy to do, frankly. But nobody ever went to ship. 

[00:45:30]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I want to push back on this. I'm curious to know what you say with this. So we thought about you. Everybody said, pat, let's make sure we get one autograph hat of future looks bright with the president's signature on it, and allow people to compete for. So here's what we're doing. Anybody that places an order of future looks bright, $100. 

[00:45:44]   
 The first hundred of you, one of you will be the lucky winner of this signed hat. Bye, Donald J. Trump. So go to vtmersch.com comma, minimum order, $100.01 of you will send this hat to you. So going back to this, so when I think about, by the way, Tim Cook, Steve Jobs dies. 

[00:45:59]   
 Apple's worth 100 billion. Today's worth 3 trillion. He 30 x. So kind of credibility on what he did. He's very good. 

[00:46:05]  Donald Trump 
 I think Steve Jobs would have been as good as. 

[00:46:06]  Patrick Bet-David 
 It's interesting point you're making. It's a good point to debate. But I want to go to the, uh, China, uh, Mexico, uh, so for the first time in a long time, actual labor is cheaper in Mexico than it is in China. Mexico is now 390 an hour. All in China's 450. Right. And when I think about this phone that Tim Cook, Steve Jobs, they built this phone. 

[00:46:30]   
 If I buy it, made in China costs $1,100. Okay? If I buy it, they try to do a quarter in India, backfired. They don't have the infrastructure yet. So he kind of wanted to find out what to do next. If I buy this in us and it's made in us, it's $2,400. Right. 

[00:46:47]   
 So there's a part of it with Nixon where I think Nixon got it. Right. And years ago, you and Nixon had a relationship. He even said, whenever you run, you're going to be a president. He said this many, many years ago. 

[00:46:57]  Donald Trump 
 He did say, uh, it. 

[00:46:58]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Nixon. 

[00:46:59]  Donald Trump 
 His wife said it was before his wife said it. 

[00:47:01]  Patrick Bet-David 
 When Pat, yourself. 

[00:47:02]  Donald Trump 
 She said, I watched somebody in the Phil Donnie show. She said, I watched a man on television, a young man on television. I have the letter. It's the most beautiful letter. He said, my wife just told me you'll be president. Because I knew him a little bit. And, uh, I said, m, that's interesting. 

[00:47:19]   
 I have to think about that. But it was very nice, actually. But no, she said it. But go ahead, please. 

[00:47:24]  Patrick Bet-David 
 So that's when. When you think about the first time we sold a Toyota in the states was 58 in 72 under Nixon, Toyota sold a million cars here. And that kind of forced American to be like, hey, you know, we got to find a way to lower the price point. Bit of competition when it comes down to the tariff side, right? 

[00:47:43]   
 We do too much, price may go up. Because if we do make this in America and cash flow income is not going up, middle Americans may be like, I can't afford to do this. Yes, we'd love to have it made in America, but, you know, a regular person making $55,000, it can afford this. 

[00:47:58]   
 So how do you balance and manage tariffs so the average person is not affected by police? 

[00:48:04]  Donald Trump 
 But before I do that. So let me just tell you already, tariffs. Because, uh, to me, I think it's the most beautiful word in the dictionary. More beautiful than love, more beautiful than any word I know. Tariff. It will make our country extremely wealthy again. Because right now, we're poor, we're broke, it'll make our country wealthy again. 

[00:48:23]   
 And, uh, it's the most powerful word there is. Okay? So just by the mere mention of the fact that I am going to put 100% to 200% tariffs on every car coming out of that factory that you just put that car plant that's being built actually started and stopped the fact that I mentioned it. 

[00:48:45]   
 I said to the man the other day, because I told him, you know, this started, I want to see a great car plant. He's the best in the world at building them, the biggest. And he said, I'll have to take you to Mexico. I said, you got to be kidding. I want to see him in the United States. 

[00:48:57]   
 He said, we don't build them in the United States. We build them in Mexico and China and all over, but nothing. Thats because were stupid, okay. And yet we sell them all that product would be sold in the United States. So I said, are you building it now? Uh, yes. Were just starting. 

[00:49:15]   
 This was a year ago, lets say, and its the biggest in the world. I think he said two of them actually, but the biggest in the world. Anyway, I hadnt seen him. Hes a great guy. All he does is plants. If you said build an apartment, he wouldnt know how to build it. 

[00:49:28]   
 I mean, all he does, he does, you know, tremendous new, big plans. I saw him the other day when I made a speech at the Detroit, um, really economic summit. It was great on cars. And I see him in the audience and I see him afterwards and I say, could I ask you, how is the big plans coming? 

[00:49:47]   
 Oh, they stopped construction. I said, really? They did? Why? Tell me why. Because they think you're going to be elected. And if you get elected, you're going to put 100% tariff or 200. You even said 200. They said, if Trump gets elected, were not going to spend billions of dollars building plants in Mexico. 

[00:50:06]   
 I saved Detroit, whats left of it. Dont forget, Detroit can make a great renaissance with me, with her. She doesnt even know what you and I are talking about stuff right now. She would have no idea what were talking about. You get it really good. You get it better than almost anybody. Even when I spoke at Bloomberg the other day, he wasn't a tariff guy. 

[00:50:28]   
 I said, well, you got to be a tariff guy because if tariffs don't. 

[00:50:32]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Work, you need to use it. 

[00:50:32]  Donald Trump 
 Our country's broke 100%. 

[00:50:34]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You need to use it. 

[00:50:35]  Donald Trump 
 But just think of it. The fact that I said, I'm going to put tariffs on all of those cars that are coming out of that plant, that's a big plant. That's maybe one of the biggest in the world right now. Those cars were going to come all into the United States. If they come into the United States, that means there's not going to be any room. 

[00:50:53]   
 Makes more than Detroit makes. Okay. Than everybody. So that would mean that our car industry is wiped out. I hope that the union workers, the auto workers understand that I saved their jobs because in a year and a half, when that thing opened, you wouldn't have one car being made in the midwest or anyplace else in this country. 

[00:51:14]   
 So because of Donald Trump, and he said that, he said, because of you, construction has totally stopped. They're absolutely, they gave up on the job. If I didn't get elected, they'll be building that. 

[00:51:27]  Patrick Bet-David 
 They're going to build it. They will. 

[00:51:28]  Donald Trump 
 The only thing for me that won't happen. 

[00:51:30]  Patrick Bet-David 
 The only thing for me is that I would be curious to know how the administration is going to take it. Is house to, you have to impose tariffs on a country that's bullying, for example. I love what you did with Iran when you put the sanctions. I'm in Monaco, June 26 of 2019. 

[00:51:43]   
 It's my ten year anniversary. We're there with my wife. We're laying by Carlton, uh, hotel, I think it's in Kansas, having the award winning lobster roll, whatever they claim there. And, uh, I meet this guy, Middle Eastern guy, he comes and he says, hey, patrick, how are you? We start talking. I said, what do you do? 

[00:51:59]   
 He says, well, I'm a pretty powerful guy. I said, really? Yeah. He says, here, google me. So I go on. I'm like, oh, interesting. I said, I'm curious. So you manage what? He says, 21 countries in the Middle east. I'm the one that says, who gets to do business banking with Iran? And none of, I said, what did Trump sanctions on Iran do? 

[00:52:19]   
 He says, let's go in the middle of the ocean and talk. And you have to set your phone aside. I'll never forget. So we go in the middle of the ocean, standing out there having a conversation. Wives are talking. We're over there. He says, everybody, if you can pull up, that's the one. 

[00:52:32]   
 Is that what it is? Here's the economic growth in Iran. If you look at that 1516 nuclear deal implemented, sanctions lifted, then it's you, 1819, they're being decimated. I mean, these guys are getting destroyed. 

[00:52:46]  Donald Trump 
 They wanted to make a deal. 

[00:52:47]  Patrick Bet-David 
 They wanted to make a deal, then. 

[00:52:48]  Donald Trump 
 They had to make it in. 

[00:52:50]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And then, you know, Biden comes and obviously things change right afterwards. So for this time around, with Iran, with everything that's going on with sanctions, there is a method to the madness. Remember back in the days you put. 

[00:53:03]  Donald Trump 
 Me m that chart, look at that this, they wanted to make a deal. I'm not looking to hurt her on. They wanted to make a deal because I told China, if you buy one barrel of oil, one, you're not ever doing business in the United States again. They said, we'll pass to Iran. 

[00:53:20]   
 They passed. Nobody was buying for Iran. 

[00:53:22]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Are you going to bring this back. 

[00:53:23]  Donald Trump 
 The strategy back with Iran, different strategies, it all depends. Very fertile mind, different strategies. But they're very close to having a nuclear weapon. You have to understand, I didn't want much. All I wanted is you can never have a nuclear weapon. I didn't want much. I wanted Iran to be very successful. I just don't want him to have a nuclear weapon. 

[00:53:41]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Right. 

[00:53:41]  Donald Trump 
 Because that's the real threat. The real threat isn't global warming. The real threat is nuclear warming. Okay? That's the real warming. Because, you know, I'm the one that rebuilt our military. I rebuilt the whole military. And part of what I rebuilt is the nuclear. And I hated to do it, but we had to because China has it, Russia has it, you know, et cetera. 

[00:54:03]   
 Uh, but I know more about nuclear than anybody because, um, and I can just only tell you this, the power is obliteration. Okay? It's not, I always say it's not two army tanks running around. 

[00:54:17]  Patrick Bet-David 
 What's going to happen to Iran with you by the end of your administration? 

[00:54:21]  Donald Trump 
 Um, I'm not, I would like to see Iran be very successful. The only thing is they can't have a nuclear weapon. 

[00:54:27]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Are you okay with the same administration and I way of governing states? Or would you like to see it go back to the seventies when Charles was running it and Iran was one of the top three countries in tourism? 

[00:54:37]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, we can't get totally involved in all, you know, I mean, we can't run ourselves. Let's face it, Patrick, we can't run ourselves. 

[00:54:45]  Patrick Bet-David 
 We put sanctions that's going to. They don't have, the people are going to turn and flip on them. It's not going to be a, uh. What should I think? 

[00:54:52]  Donald Trump 
 If you would, when I handed it over, I told them right now, make a deal with Iran, theyll do anything they want to make a deal with me, they want. Had that election not been rigged and stolen, I will tell you right now, we would have no problems anywhere in the world. You know, um, Victor Orban, you know, hes a very tough guy and a very smart guy and hes, you know, some of the european countries dont like him because hes, you know, sure, smart makes sense. 

[00:55:21]   
 And uh, they do things that aren't so smart. But he said, uh, they said, what's happening? The whole world is blowing up now. The Middle east and Russia Ukraine. I mean, now all of a sudden it's getting really bad over there. I'll tell you, the Russia Ukraine getting really bad. You could have World War III. 

[00:55:37]   
 And we have two people, her and him, and she's not as smart as Biden. Biden, believe it or not, and this is a very small group of people fit into this category. Hes smarter than she is. Okay, you have a problem. And even the three or four months left. 

[00:55:56]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Mhm. 

[00:55:56]  Donald Trump 
 Thats a lot of months. Thats a lot of time left. You could have World War three before I would take office even if I. 

[00:56:04]  Patrick Bet-David 
 So let me ask you this. 

[00:56:05]  Donald Trump 
 This country is in, the world is in grave danger. But you know what Viktor Orban said? He said, if Trump comes back in, everything solved. He said when he ran it, we had no wars, we had no problems. Now, he used the term they were afraid of Trump. I dont want to use that term because its like, uh, but they were, they were afraid of me. 

[00:56:25]   
 They didnt know what the hell I was going to do. And that included Russia. Dont forget, they always said, oh, Im so close to Putin. I had a good relationship with Putin. I had a good relationship with President Xi. But what did I do to Putin? I ended the pipeline going to Germany and all over Europe. 

[00:56:39]   
 The biggest job theyve ever had is the pipeline going all over Europe. I terminated it. Think of it. Do you think thats a good relationship? No. Putin said, id hate to see you if you were angry at us, you understand? But what did I do first? Earlier. And then you go, well, Trump was in the pocket of Russia. 

[00:57:00]   
 Trump was in the pocket. I ended the biggest job theyve ever done, a job that made more money. Biden comes in and what does he do? He approves it. He lets it go forward. It was dead. It was never going to happen. He led. And what else did he do? He took the Keystone pipeline, which was our pipeline, which should have been approved, and he terminated it just before construction was started. 

[00:57:25]  Patrick Bet-David 
 They've lost credibility at this point, but with Iran. So here's one thing, the reason why I'm asking this. I lived in Iran almost eleven years. And I was, you know, I'm a, are you iranian? I was born armenian, mother side, assyrian, father side. You gave a shout out to Assyrians the other day in Arizona. 

[00:57:39]   
 It was great seeing Assyrians for Trump. But I'm asking, you know, why they were there. 

[00:57:42]  Donald Trump 
 They were so nice. I met. They said, the Assyrians. They said, could you give us a shout out? I said, who are you? I didn't know. They said, we're serious. I said, what does that mean? But they were really nice people. And I said, I think I've been. Mispronounced it. Yeah, but I said, speaker one, you did. 

[00:57:59]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You got to write this down. But going back to Iran. So, uh, last, uh, topic on this, I just want to clear this up. Soleimani, you take them out. That's their hero. That's their general patent. When you take them out, they want to seek vengeance. So now, hey, they're targeting you. They're coming after your assassination attempts, all this stuff. 

[00:58:16]   
 They create these videos that they're going to come. We haven't forgotten that you took our hero out. Great. So, Carter, Reagan. When Reagan got elected, remember, they released, was it, 59 prisoners? Uh, you know, who had been held hostage for 444 days? If I'm getting the numbers right, can you see? 59? 444 days. 

[00:58:36]   
 What's the number? 

[00:58:36]  Donald Trump 
 52 Americans, 444 days. 

[00:58:39]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Boom. The minute inauguration, they released them. Khomeini. Right? It's like, oh, this guy's gonna do something about it. This is my question for you. Say you win November 5. Say it's a landslide. Say it's done. Okay. From November 5 to your going back to putting your hand. Inauguration on the stage during that time, that season, what do you think is going to happen during that season? 

[00:59:04]   
 Is during that season, Russia, Ukraine going to be done during that season? You think it's going to be that quickly? What do you think it's going to be after? 

[00:59:10]  Donald Trump 
 I think the world's going to behave, and I think I will settle Russia, Ukraine. While I'm president elect. 

[00:59:16]  Patrick Bet-David 
 While you're president elect. 

[00:59:17]  Donald Trump 
 While I'm president elected. 

[00:59:19]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Wow. 

[00:59:20]  Donald Trump 
 You need that credibility while I'm president elect, I will settle it. You know, I met with Zelensky the other day. Uh, I have good relationship with Putin and with Zelenskyy. 

[00:59:30]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He didn't look too happy standing next to you, though. 

[00:59:32]  Donald Trump 
 Well, look, this is a war that should have never happened. You have millions of people that are dead, much more than you're reading about. You know, when you see these. I was amazed at how big I'm, um, in the real estate business, to put it mildly. So I know buildings. Those buildings were massive. 

[00:59:49]   
 You know, they were long rather than tall. They were twelve to 15 stories. But they went, like, for blocks. They were massive buildings. Rockets were hitting the buildings. They were collapsing. A lot of people were killed. You hear two people were injured. No, no, many people were killed. That war is much more deadly than they're telling you. 

[01:00:09]   
 It has to be settled. But here's the problem. It should have never happened. If I were president, that war, uh, would have never happened. Putin would have never done it. The war would have never happened. Without even a settlement? Without even a settlement. 

[01:00:23]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Well, you're saying after November 5, pre as a elect, you're saying things are going to get done during that time. 

[01:00:30]  Donald Trump 
 I'd like to be able to. 

[01:00:30]  Patrick Bet-David 
 How about Iran and Israel? What about that one? 

[01:00:33]  Donald Trump 
 Uh, well, that depends. A lot's happening right now. We're going to have to see what happens. That one is a very interesting one and it's become more interesting because Israel didn't listen to Biden and her and did what they wanted to do and they put themselves in a pretty strong position. I mean, let's face it, who would have thought this was going to happen? 

[01:00:55]   
 Uh, everybody was very afraid of Iran. They're less afraid of Iran now. What they did to Hezbollah and Hamas, if you take a look at Nasara. 

[01:01:04]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Law, they took everybody out. I mean the pagers did the whole. 

[01:01:08]  Donald Trump 
 Thing with the pages. It was from the pagers because those were your leaders. I mean those were the leaders. It was like straight to the town. 

[01:01:15]  Patrick Bet-David 
 And the guy that replaced them, they took him out as well. I mean that was that because nobody wants that job. And I was like, hey, would you like this job? I'll pass. I don't want the job. 

[01:01:23]  Donald Trump 
 So it's a different, you know, it's a different story. But only because Bebe did not listen to Biden. Biden wanted everything to just sort of fomenta, um, um. They wouldn't listen to him. 

[01:01:39]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You think BBC tells you? 

[01:01:41]  Donald Trump 
 Do I? 

[01:01:42]  Patrick Bet-David 
 What do you think BB will listen to you? 

[01:01:44]  Donald Trump 
 Uh, yeah. Oh, he'll listen to me. 100%. 

[01:01:47]  Patrick Bet-David 
 100%, 100%. 

[01:01:49]  Donald Trump 
 Don't forget, I got them more than, and not because this isn't the reason, but I got them Golan Heights. Mhm. They've been trying to get it for as long as they were around. I got them Golan Heights. They wanted planes would fly in every year to try and figure it out. I got them Golan Heights. 

[01:02:08]   
 But more importantly than that, I ended the Iran nuclear deal which was BB fought like hell to have it. Remember that? Fought like hell. Came in to see Obama fought. And I also got him very important. I helped them with their military, everything else, but I got him jerusalem capital, I got him. 

[01:02:26]   
 Jerusalem. Not only did I get it for him, I built the embassy. I didn't just say that. I got it built, and I built it for peanuts, too. I didn't spend $2 billion. I built it for. 

[01:02:36]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I love what you said the other day when you were doing the, uh, uh, new air force one from 5.3 billion to 3.7 billion. Hey, who would have paid what they would have paid for that? It's great to have negotiated. 

[01:02:46]  Donald Trump 
 Does that mean you made 1.7 billion? 

[01:02:49]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Which is. You're sitting there like, yeah, Obama. They just cut the check. And I'm like, what are you talking about? An operator would never do that. I have a few minutes. I want to hit a few questions with you. So you get in, when you work for a new company, you get a job, you go to HR, and then when you work for the company, that's a big company, let's just say they got 100,000 employees. 

[01:03:04]   
 Let's say you're working for an IBM. Let's say you're working for Boeing. Hundreds of thousands of employees. You're going to kind of find out who the manipulators are. You're going to find out who the power players are. You're going to find out who the EF Hutton is. You're going to find out who the guy that get the job done, the guy that even though you replaced him, he left. 

[01:03:20]   
 People are still talking to the guy because maybe they want you to fail. So they're still, you know, all the stuff that happens. 

[01:03:25]  Donald Trump 
 Right. 

[01:03:26]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Uh, when you went in day one, you're a president. How did you decipher between knowing who were really the power players, who were the manipulators, who were the ones that would threaten them behind closed doors? How did you go through that process when you first got in? 

[01:03:40]  Donald Trump 
 So my problem was I was never. I mean, I was in Washington. They say the fake news said this, so. But let's assume it's true for a change. 17 times I was there, 17 times. I never stayed over. So I was not a Washington person. I didn't know people. 

[01:03:55]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Robert, when you became president? 

[01:03:56]  Donald Trump 
 When I became. Yeah, when I became president, in other words, I ran for president. I was only in Washington 17 times. And most of it was. I was building a hotel, a beautiful hotel that I sold. It's now the Waldorf Astoria. And I built that, did a great job, sold it, made some money, and it was great. 

[01:04:16]   
 But that was most of the time I was only there. Think of it. 

[01:04:19]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Beautiful. 

[01:04:20]  Donald Trump 
 I was only there that's it, right? Uh, that's a beautiful job in a great location. Oh, maybe I shouldn't have sold it. 

[01:04:31]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You are funny. 

[01:04:32]  Donald Trump 
 No, I'm looking at it. 

[01:04:32]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I'm saying, uh, that is a beautiful project. 

[01:04:34]  Donald Trump 
 No, I did a great job with it. My whole family did, uh, Ivanka and Don and everybody. And Eric did a fantastic job. But anyway, I built that. But 17 days, I didn't know what 17 days total. Never stayed up. Okay, but that's what they say. But it's about right. In other words, I wasn't a Washington person. 

[01:04:52]   
 So all of a sudden, I'm president. I land on air force one. You never saw so many motorcycles and cars and everything. Military marching. Everybody's marching. I'm saying. I said to my wife, oh, and we're going down Pennsylvania Avenue, and we're in the back of the, uh, beast. You know, the world's longest army tank, right? 

[01:05:18]   
 And we're in the back of the beast, and I look to the left and there's the building, and we're going the opposite direction of the roads. You know, the roads are closed on that day. You could have gone anywhere you went. So we gone, and I said, look, there's the hotel, and there's the white house. 

[01:05:35]   
 A couple of blocks further is the White House. Here's the. I say, did you ever see anything so incredible? This is surreal. I have the brand new hotel, and I have the White House, and I'm president. But here's the bad part. I didn't know anybody in Washington other than some politicians, and I knew them because I was a contributor, not because I was a politician, because I had only done this a few months. 

[01:05:56]   
 You know, I ran. Uh. 

[01:05:58]  Patrick Bet-David 
 But you're in the business of reading, uh, bullshit. You're in the business of, like, manipulating. 

[01:06:03]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, but there's a lot of people. So what happens is, I had to rely on people for advice. And largely, I got it right. You know, don't forget, you only hear about, like, stupid people, like a Bolton or I don't want to mention even Barr, because he endorsed me the other day. You saw that? 

[01:06:21]   
 Endorsed me strongly. I was impressed by that. But I put people in there who I made mistakes, but, uh, I got it mostly right. Great trade, people I had. Great trade. 

[01:06:32]  Patrick Bet-David 
 That's not the question I'm asking, if I may. Here's what I'm asking. What I'm asking. I'm not even asking about, hey, why would you hire these guys, the swamp? And that question has already been addressed. I'm not interested in that question, the question I'm asking is, you're in, you're in a new space. 

[01:06:44]   
 Who were really the powerful people? Was it the director of CIA? Was it FBI? Was it the big pharma? Was it military industrial complex? Guys that are general dynamics? Uh, who were the people like, oh, I got you. You have power. I never thought you had power. Who actually has power? 

[01:07:00]  Donald Trump 
 The most powerful person by far. Power over the president, power over everybody. Power. The power is enormous. Most people don't believe that it is, but there is a sort of a deep state, and a lot of that's people that have been there. And then there's some bad guys. There's some bad people. Then there's a radical left, which I think are more dangerous in many ways than the other countries. 

[01:07:22]   
 I really do. You know, uh, guys like Shifty Adam Schiff and other people, they're bad people. They're sort of sick people. Not stupid people either, by the way. Smart people, sure, but they're vicious, but they're very bad for our gun. 

[01:07:35]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Adam Schiff, powerful. 

[01:07:36]  Donald Trump 
 Uh, can you imagine? Well, he made up the Russia hoax. 

[01:07:38]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He, what I'm saying is, who is their boss? Who's, who calls them and say, you. 

[01:07:44]  Donald Trump 
 Better, or I think it's an amorphous group. It's a group. It's not one person. It's an amorphous group of lunatics. And when they come together, they're, they're pretty bad. But let me just say this. The president has the absolute. If the president, now, Biden doesn't know he's alive, so I don't think he, I really believe they used him as a, uh, vessel, like a vessel in the night. 

[01:08:09]   
 And I, uh, really believe that she's, um, a little bit more dangerous because she's basically a Marxist, like her father. Her father's a Marxist. You know what I don't understand? Why has the father not been interviewed? I mean, nobody talks about that. If that were a republican situation, the father would be all over the place. 

[01:08:28]   
 Where's the f, I haven't had one. I haven't seen one article where they're looking for the father. So the father is a marxist. Professor of economics, which is an interesting thing. Marxist and economics don't go together. 

[01:08:40]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You know, what's the one thing m everybody says? What's your favorite four, uh, years of Trump or four years of Obama? All these guys that you look at moments, right? My favorite moment of you being a president is this moment here. This is what I love the most. It was a first time where a president is running a vlog style administration, where, Rob, if he can play this clip, this is. 

[01:09:01]   
 You were talking about building the wall, shutting down the government, and you put the camera on their face. I think you did this once also with Kissinger, which I don't know if that was a power play, intentional or not. I thought it was. Play this clip, Rob. None of us have said, you want. 

[01:09:14]  Donald Trump 
 To know something, you've said it. Okay. You want to put that on? 

[01:09:17]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You said it. 

[01:09:17]  Donald Trump 
 I'll take it. Okay, good. You know what I'll say? Yes. If we don't get what we want one way or the other, whether it's through you, through a military, through anything you want to call, I will shut down the government. 

[01:09:28]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Okay? 

[01:09:29]  Donald Trump 
 Absolutely. And I am proud, and I'll agree. I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don't want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. 

[01:09:45]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I will be the one, you know, what did this take, by the way? 

[01:09:47]  Donald Trump 
 How right was I? And now. And I had the strongest border we ever had, and I use soldiers from Mexico and every other thing you got to do for nothing, zero cost. I had the strongest border. But look at that guy. Look. They're all threats to our nation. He and his group, after I was gone, opened up the border. 

[01:10:06]   
 And our country has been poisoned. Okay? Poisoned. We have killers, murderers. We have the drug lords. We have. We have everything. We have terrorists at numbers. Do you know, in 2019, a, uh, report was done that not one terrorist was allowed in. Now, I think it's fairly wrong because it's, you know, I want to take credit for it. 

[01:10:26]   
 It was my year. 

[01:10:27]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Have you seen the terrorist attack? 

[01:10:29]  Donald Trump 
 Thousands. Thousands. 

[01:10:30]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Rob, pull up the clip with. Not this one, the other one, Rob, because you like good charts, I think you're going to love this chart. So this is the chart. I don't know if you've seen this or nothing. So this is the terrorist attacks, deaths and injuries based on different presidents being there. 

[01:10:44]   
 If you go to 2008 to 2016, that's the Barack Obama era. Look what he did. He produced more terrorist attacks during his era. 16. You get elected, look what happens. Uh, disappearance. 

[01:10:59]  Donald Trump 
 I had none. 

[01:11:00]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I understand. So. But the reason why I showed this clip is if you're. 

[01:11:04]  Donald Trump 
 I like these charts. I must say, I like my chart the best. You know, my m. Yes, the chart. I have a chart that I like better than any chart I've ever seen. Better than any person I've ever glad. 

[01:11:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 You were looking at the chart. I think a lot of people are happy you were looking at the chart. 

[01:11:16]  Donald Trump 
 No, no, I love these charts that you have. 

[01:11:18]  Patrick Bet-David 
 No, I'm talking about the chart you looked at when you got shot. 

[01:11:23]  Donald Trump 
 We would not be a little bit of family. 

[01:11:25]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Let's talk a little bit of family with the last few minutes that we have. So, um, baron trump. I spent some time with baron. He invited me. I came to mar a lago, sat down, I watched your song for an hour and a half, 2 hours. How he was, I think, is he march 20. 

[01:11:42]   
 His birthday is in march. I remember it's march. He had just turned 18. And I'm watching how he's talking to kobe, all these other guys sitting at the table. And I'm like, very interesting. And I know your, uh, uh, melania, I think, called him little donald. I think, if I'm not mistaken, she gave that nickname to him. 

[01:12:00]  Donald Trump 
 He's not so little. Cause he's pretty tall guy. 

[01:12:02]  Patrick Bet-David 
 But you used the word. You said something when you were being interviewed, like, five years ago. You said, he's strong, he's vicious, he's tough, like you kind of are. Like he's got, you know, he's got that part about him. What can you tell us about Barron from your point of view? 

[01:12:17]  Donald Trump 
 Well, he's very, he's very, um, very smart. He's a good student and all that. Goes to a great school and does really well. And he's a very nice guy. You say that he's a very, uh, uh, um. He doesn't mind being alone, but he's somebody that gets along with people. He loved having you that night I saw you, I was at a different table. 

[01:12:38]   
 I said, look at Barron. He's really having a good time. But, uh, you're like a psychiatrist for a lot of people. I mean, this interview is now twice as long as it's supposed to be. And we talked about some really amazing things. We talked about Barron. Of course. I gotta say, he is such a. 

[01:12:54]   
 He said, dad, you gotta do me one favor. What? You have to say hello to Patrick for me. I mean, it's cute, you know, he's 18 years old, but he's, like, not. 

[01:13:03]  Patrick Bet-David 
 An average 18 year old, though. 

[01:13:04]  Donald Trump 
 He's very smart. He's very. 

[01:13:05]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Is he, is he good with the ladies in school? 

[01:13:08]  Donald Trump 
 I'm not sure. 

[01:13:09]  Patrick Bet-David 
 There yet or. 

[01:13:10]  Donald Trump 
 I'm not sure he's there yet. No, I'm not sure he's there. Uh, he's, uh, I don't think he's had a girlfriend yet. I don't think. 

[01:13:15]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I really. 

[01:13:16]  Donald Trump 
 I don't think so. Every once in a while. 

[01:13:19]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He's a good looking guy. He's a good looking guy. 

[01:13:20]  Donald Trump 
 He's a good looking guy. 

[01:13:22]  Patrick Bet-David 
 He's got the swagger. He's a good trolleye. He's funny. He's witty. Last question for you. 

[01:13:26]  Donald Trump 
 And I have good kids. I mean, my kids are good. 

[01:13:28]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Well, I mean, that's the one thing that, uh, your old best friend, Hillary Clinton gave you credit of. Uh, if you remember that one time where she said, what's the credit? You said, she's not, you know, she doesn't give up. And she said, you've raised great kids. Last question for you. I'm curious to know what you say about this. 

[01:13:42]   
 So, um, I'm in Northridge, California. It's probably 18 years ago. I'm at a restaurant called claim jumpers, and I'm meeting this pastor, Pastor Dudley Rutherford. Great guy. And I'm like, hey, you know, relationship with father and son. Okay, what would you say about a relationship with father and son? What tips could you give me? 

[01:14:02]   
 And he says, you know, a son and a father go through three phases. Phase number one, you idolize them. 

[01:14:10]  Donald Trump 
 Okay? 

[01:14:11]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Phase two, you demonize them. Phase three, you humanize them. Okay, very interesting. I'm like, very interesting. Like that. You go through that, or you go from, you know, idolize. Oh, my God. I want to be like my dad when I grow up. You know what? You don't ever believe in me. What can I do to make you proud? 

[01:14:28]   
 Like, man, I didn't know what he was going through, that kind of stuff. I should have never said this and that. I'm totally messed up, right? For you, there is one of the talks you're given, which, you know, I understand, you know, earlier, mentor my two. Never show hurt. Never show pain. Always be in the offensive. 

[01:14:47]   
 Killer instinct, attack, you know, sometimes. So it's like, yeah, you know, I'm a competitor. I'm a fierce guy. I'm going to get into business. And insurance, they didn't like me because I was building an agency. 60,000 insurance agents nationwide. We sold it. I got a fat check, 88% owner. You know, I realized there's a part of you got to stay tough. 

[01:15:02]   
 But then there's some parts you're like, wait a minute. I can't be tough with everybody, right? You know, you're in. I want to say, is this Glendale? Rob? I don't know where it's at. This is last year, September. If you can play this clip, Rob, this is the first time where I watched you and I said, wow, okay, this is South Dakota. 

[01:15:20]   
 So this is Rapid City, south, uh, Dakota. You're speaking, and all of a sudden you have this moment. If you can play this clip, I want to get a reaction to this. Go for it, Rob, and help build. 

[01:15:31]  Donald Trump 
 America into the greatest nation in the history of the world. 

[01:16:16]  Patrick Bet-David 
 45 seconds. You're holding yourself back. 

[01:16:20]  Donald Trump 
 Well, let me explain. So I think I'm the only politician that ever spoke to music before, and I do that sometimes at the end of some of the rallies, that was a big rally, we had a lot of people, we have a lot of people at all. The rallies had 100,000 people in Butler, more than 100 the other day, a couple of weeks ago. 

[01:16:46]   
 And we had, in California just this last week, uh, we had 107,000 people. So we got big crowds. And sometimes I do my final remarks with music now. Uh, I always get, uh, I don't know if emotional or angry. More angry than emotional, because I don't, you know, and I'm not sure I want to admit emotional, but, uh, no, I tend to wait when the music goes on, I tend to wait maybe 30 seconds, maybe 20 seconds. 

[01:17:21]   
 So, I mean, I don't want to spoil your thing, but I want to be honest. No, it wasn't emotion. It is sort of anger, which is, of course, an emotion. But my closings for the, uh, rallies, sometimes I play that music and I talk about how bad we're doing, how badly we're doing terribly as a country. 

[01:17:43]   
 We're a third world nation. Look, we are a nation in decline. I mean, we are in serious decline. And now on top of it, they're allowing all these people to come in and it's not sustainable, etcetera, etcetera. And I go into that during this. It's a different rally. It's a different rally speech. 

[01:17:59]   
 Um, I used to go right from my regular speech and then the music would come on and I didn't like it. Now the music comes on and I wait 20 or 30. So I don't want to ruin your thing, but that's why I'm asking, you. 

[01:18:14]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Know why I'm asking questions. 

[01:18:15]  Donald Trump 
 I would like to say I was crying, but I didn't. 

[01:18:18]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Here's why I'm asking a question. I'm asking a question because I think your life with Americans has been that. I think you were idolized for decades, decades. Then you were demonized. And I don't know when I watch, you know, uh, Nixon, uh, at his wife's funeral, you see him, you know, when you see Reagan, when you see Putin, when he's one of his friends, and when you see some of the most, Michael Jordan was a killer instinct. 

[01:18:47]   
 When his father. When I think about, we don't have to play this. When I think about you, uh, a lot of the folks I talk to, I'm like, man, is this guy, does this guy have feelings? Is he like, that cold all the time? Is he that competitive, that it's always, never show hurt, never show emotion? 

[01:19:02]   
 Is it like that, even at this phase, like, can I get an ounce of feeling from the guy that I can sit there and say, man, I want to humanize this guy? This guy's like me. Why am I expecting this guy to walk on water? I don't know. You know, I think there's an opportunity for the american people to go through that with you. 

[01:19:20]   
 I know, um, to experience that. And by the way, if you say. 

[01:19:23]  Donald Trump 
 And there's nothing wrong with it, right. I don't personally think that the american people want to see, especially at this point, our country is doing badly. I don't personally think they want to see a president that cries. 

[01:19:35]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I mean, I'm not saying cry. I'm not at all talking about crying. This is not at all about crying. This isn't one of those moments, like, hey, the goal is to get him cry. It's not that. It's to see a side where somebody says, ah, uh, you know what? I'm gonna vote for this guy. 

[01:19:51]   
 I'm gonna support this guy. 

[01:19:52]  Donald Trump 
 Yeah, no, I understand it. And certainly, um, there could be that time. Look, I'm very sad by what's happened to this country. We're not respected anymore. We will be respected very soon. It won't take that long. Uh, but we have to fix our country. Our country is broken. Uh, this has been the worst president and vice president in history, and now shes running for president. 

[01:20:17]   
 And if for some reason she won, and I believe the only reason they can win, I really believe that. I dont think people would vote for her. I just dont believe it can happen. But I think Elon Musk says it better than anybody. He says our country is finished. Uh, essentially, he said it would be finished. 

[01:20:37]   
 Very smart guy. Um, a lot of people say that. A lot of people say, this will be our last election. You know, you've heard that, too. 

[01:20:43]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Uh, listen, for some of us, it's. 

[01:20:46]  Donald Trump 
 So bad what they're doing to our country. On the borders. It's so bad what they're doing with the money, the billions and billions of dollars. I think Zelenskyy is one of the greatest salesmen I've ever seen. Every time he comes in, we give him $100 billion. Who else got that kind of money in history? 

[01:21:04]   
 There's never been. And that doesn't mean I don't want to help him, because I feel very badly for those people. But he should never have let that war start. That war is a loser. Ukraine, remember, is not Ukraine anymore. Every city almost is knocked down to the ground. M all those beautiful golden domes are laying on their side, smashed to smithereens. 

[01:21:32]   
 Theres no city. You go into the city and every building is demolished. It looks like a demolition crew went through. Theyve been hit by missiles. This should have been settled before it started. It would have been so easy if we had a president with half a brain. It would have been easier to settle. 

[01:21:48]   
 And im not, uh, you, uh, know, everyone would say, oh, this is terrible. Hes blaming Biden. I do largely blame. If you watch his words, his words were the exact opposite of what he should have been saying. He instigated that war, and he got Putin. There's no angel, and Putin's no angel, but everything Biden said was wrong. 

[01:22:13]   
 That should have never happened. I'm telling you, Patrick, that war, if I were president, zero, even Democrats admitted, and you know what? It didnt happen for four years, and it was never going to happen. And yet, I will tell you, I spoke to Putin often about it. I said, dont ever do it. 

[01:22:31]   
 But Ukraine was the apple of his eye. And when he saw how incompetently our country, our president, our stupid generals like Milley, whos a stupid person, when he saw how incompetent we were in Afghanistan, the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, I believe when he looked at that, he said, Trump is gone. 

[01:22:56]   
 These people are idiots. I'm going to go in to take the apple of my eye. Would have never happened if I was there. And this has been very interesting being with you. 

[01:23:04]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Likewise. 

[01:23:05]  Donald Trump 
 My son's right about you. Very, very good. 

[01:23:07]  Patrick Bet-David 
 I've really enjoyed it. Mister President, thank you for making the time to be here with us. 

[01:23:11]  Donald Trump 
 Thank you very much, president. Yes, it's a great honor. We'll do it again. 

[01:23:13]  Patrick Bet-David 
 Likewise. Looking forward to it. 

[01:23:14]  Donald Trump 
 Thank you very much.