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And thank you for joining us for tonight's CBS News vice presidential debate. We want to welcome our viewers on CBS, on other networks here in the US and around the world, we have a consequential night ahead, and our focus is the issues that matter to you. The voter. Let's introduce the candidate, Minnesota's democratic governor, Tim Walls.

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And Ohio's republican senator JD Vance tonight meeting for the first time.

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I'm Margaret Brennan. In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules. That both campaigns have agreed to. Questions will be directed at one candidate, who will have two minutes to respond. The other candidate will be allowed two minutes for rebuttal. Then.

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Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed thanks to joint us and israeli defensive action. President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 us military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war. Iran.

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Massacred over 1400 Israelis and took prisoners.

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Getting its hostages back fundamental and ending the humanitarian crisis.

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In Gaza. But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. You sought experience today.

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And his national security advisors said he should be nowhere near the White House. Now, the person closest to them.

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To the Donald Trump said he's unfit for the highest office. That was Senator Vance. What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership. We've, seen a calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together, understanding that our allies matter.

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By establishing effective deterrence. People were afraid of stepping out of line. Iran, which launched this attack has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration. What do they use that money for? They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies and, God forbid, potentially launching against the.

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Senator Vance, the US did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program. And President Trump did exit that deal.

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The US must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because.

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The consequences are impossible. Did he make a mistake? You have 1 minute. Well, first of all, Margaret. Diplomacy is not a dirty word, but I think that's something that Governor waltz just said. Is quite extraordinary. You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been. And Governor Walter blamed Donald Trump, who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years.

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And the answer is. You're running mate, not mine. Donald Trump consistently made the world more. Secure. Now we talk about.

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Overseas more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. And when I say that. I mean, the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output. So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in american workers and the american people. And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done.

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Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past. Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in what we've seen out of the Harris administration. Now the Biden Harris administration. Is, we've seen this investment, we've seen massive investments, the biggest.

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In global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction act has created jobs all across the country 2000 in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking the EV technology that we invented and making it here. 200,000 jobs across the country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sets in Minnesota. But my farmers know climate change is real. They've.

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Each candidate will get another minute to make further points, with an additional 1 minute each at the discretion of the moderator.

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The primary role of the moderators is to facilitate the debate between the candidates, enforce the rules and provide the candidates with the opportunity to fact check claims made by each other. CBS News reserves the right to mute the candidates microphones to maintain decorum. We have not shared the questions. Or topics with the campaigns, the stage.

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Is set. Governor, Senator, thank you for joining us. Let's get started.

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Tonight, our country is facing several unfolding crises. The Middle east is on the brink of war. Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene. And now a labor strike has 25,000 DoC workers from Maine to Texas are picketing. We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East. Margaret. Thank you, Nora. Earlier today.

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Is weakened, but the US still considers it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon. It is down now. To one or two weeks time.

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Governor walls, if you are the final voice in the situation room, would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran. You have two minutes. Well, thank you. And thank you. For those joining home tonight, let's keep in mind where this started. October 7. Hamas terrorist.

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It's clear. And the world sought on that debate stage a few weeks ago.

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A nearly 80 year old Donald Trump. Talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment. But it's not just that. It's those that were closest to Donald Trump. That understand how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous, his chief of staff, John Kelly, said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met, and both of his secret.

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Secretaries of defense.

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When our allies see Donald Trump turned towards Vladimir Putin, turned towards North Korea, when we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together.

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We will stay committed. And as the vice president said today is we will protect our forces and our allied forces, and there will be consequences. Governor, your time is up. Senator Vance, the same question. Would you?

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Because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are. I was raised in a working class family. My mother acquired food assistance for periods of her life. My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me, and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.

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United States as well. Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace. Through strength. They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the united states global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world. Now, you asked about a preemptive strike. Margaret and I want to answer the question. Look, it is up to Israel.

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What they think they need to do to keep their country safe. And we should support our allies. Wherever they are, when they're fighting the bad guys. I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question. Thank you, senator. Governor balls, do you care to respond to any of the allegations. Well, look, Donald Trump was in office. We'll sometimes hear a revisionist. History. But when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump.

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Fickle. He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him steady leadership. Like you witnessed today. Like you witnessed in April. Both iranian attacks were repelled. Our coalition is strong, and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

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The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't. Ignore. October the 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walt's bringing up, but when did Iran and. Hamas and their proxies attack Israel. It was during the administration of Kamala Harris. So Governor Walts can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy.

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And peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world. Donald Trump has already done it once before. Ask yourself at home.

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When was the last time, I'm 40 years old. When was the last time that an american president didn't have a major conflict breakout. The only answer is, during the four years that Donald Trump was president. Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to. Nora, Margaret, thank you. Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. The storm could become one of the deadliest on record. More than 100.

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Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger and more deadly because of the historic rainfall. Senator Vance. According to CBS News polling, seven in ten Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the US taking steps to try and.

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Reduce climate change. Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change. I'll give you two minutes. Sure. So, first of all, let's start. With the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy. I just saw today, actually a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six year old.

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Child. And it was the last photograph ever taken to them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives. And I'm sure Governor Walt joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people. Our prayers go out to them. And we want as robust and aggressive as the federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible. And then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.

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I mean, these are communities that I love. Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia. All across the southeast. They need their government to do their job. And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again. The government will put the citizens of this country first when they suffer. From a disaster an or you asked about climate change. I think this is a very important issue. Look, a lot of people are just.

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Is a concern about carbon emissions. This idea that carbon emissions drives all the climate change. Well, let's just say that's true, just for the sake of argument. So we're not arguing about weird science. Let's just say that's true.

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Tax in the last 15 years.

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Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

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Where, along with our israeli partners and our coalition, able to stop the incoming attack. But what's? Fundamental here is that steady leadership is going to matter.

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Support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran. You have two minutes. So, Morgan. I want to answer the question. First of all, thanks, Governor. Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate. And thanks, most importantly, the american people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country. To pay attention to this vice presidential debate. I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit.

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I went to college on the GI bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq. And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for this country. For the american dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams. And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the american dream is unattainable.

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I want to try to convince you tonight, over the next 90 minutes, that if we get better, leadership in the White House. If we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the american dream. Is going to be attainable once again. Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember. That as much as Governor waltz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos. Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it.

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Who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in the inability to advance it. Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place. So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership. And when Iran shot down an american aircraft.

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In international airspace, Donald Trump tweeted, because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump. And when iranian missiles did fall near us troops and they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches. Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is.

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He recently said, just five days ago.

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And 60 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

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Justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns. I think it's important for us, first of all, to say Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water. We want the environment to be cleaner and safer. But one of the things that I've noticed some of our democratic friends talking a lot about.

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Well, if you believe that, what would you, what would you want to do? The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much american manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world. What hip, Common Harris's policies actually led to more energy production in China, more manufacturing.

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With this hurricane, and my heart goes up to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors I serve.

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As co chair of the Council of Governors as we work together on these emergency management's governors? No, no partisanship. They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders are on the ground. Those happen on the front end. The federal government comes in, make sure they're there so that we recover, but we're still in that phase where we need to. Make sure that they're staying there, staying focused. Now, look, coming back to the climate,

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Change issue. There's no doubt this thing brought onto the scene faster and stronger than anything. We've seen.

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The solution for us is to continue to move forward, that climate change is real, reducing our impact. Is absolutely critical. But this is not a false choice. You can do that at the same time. You're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country, that's exactly what this administration has done. We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future. Not just the.

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Exactly the opposite. Governor Wallace, you have two minutes to respond. Well, we got close to an agreement. Because all those things are happening. Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy.

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Seen 500 year droughts, 500 year floods, back to back. But what they're doing is adapting. And this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean. And I harvest wind. We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have. We're also producing more clean energy.

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So.

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Current. And that's what absolutely makes sense. And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters. Thank you, senator. I want to give you an opportunity to respond there the governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax to agree. Well, look what the president has said is that if the Democrats in particular, Kamala Harris.

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And her leadership. If they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America, and that's not what they're doing. So clearly, Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this. If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies. Now, something Governor Walsh said. I think it's important to touch.

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Upon because when we talk about clean energy, I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here. I'm talking, of course, about the democratic leadership and the real issue. Is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of american taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China. Number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. We should be making.

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More of the solar panels here in the United States of America. Some of them are Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels. So if you really want to make the environment cleaner, you've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built a nuclear facility, I think one in the past 40. Years natural gas. We got to invest more.

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In it. Kamala Harris has done the opposite. That's raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing.

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Governor, would you like to respond? Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have. There's no moratorium on that. We're producing more oil, but the folks know.

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And like I said, again, these are not liberal folks. These are not folks that are green, new deal, folks. These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year. They understand. That. It makes sense. Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these. Massive storms. We sought Minnesota this summer.

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And thinking about how do we respond to that? We're thinking ahead on this and what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota. We're starting to weatherproof some of these things. The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future. How do we make sure that we're protecting? By burying our power lines. How? Do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of.

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But to call it a hoax and to take the oil company executives to mar a Lago. Say, give me money for my campaign, and I'll let you do whatever you want. We can be smarter about that. And an all above energy policies. Exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. Governor, your time is up. The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is.

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Warming at an unprecedented rate. Margaret. Thank you, Nora. We're going to turn now to immigration. The crisis at the US Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issue.

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For american voters. Senator Vance.

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Your campaign is pledging to carry out the largest mass deportation plan in american history and to use the US military to do so. Could you be more specific about exactly how this will work?

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For example, would you deport parents who have entered the US illegally and separate them from any of their children who were born on us soil. You have two minutes. So first of all, Margaret. Before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding. We have a historic immigration crisis. Because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to.

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Undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. 94 executive orders suspending deportations decriminalized illegal aliens.

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Massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system, that has opened the floodgates. And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country. I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean. I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris led in fentanyl into our communities at.

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Record levels. So you've got to stop the bleeding. You've got to. Reimplement. Donald Trump's border policies build the wall, reimplement, deportations, and that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do? So we've got 2020 5. Million illegal aliens who are here in the country. What do we do with them? I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. About a million.

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Of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally. I think you start with deportations on those folks, and then I think you make it harder for illegal. Aliens to undercut the wages of american workers. A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country. And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn.

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A fair wage for doing a good day's work. The final point, Margaret, is you ask. About family separation. Right now, in this country market, we have 320,000 children that the Department of homeland security has effectively lost some of them have been.

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Sex trafficking. Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families. Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules. The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately Kamala Harris's. Wide open southern border, and I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember when she came into office, she said she was going to do this. Real leadership would be saying, you know, what I screw.

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Screwed up. We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies. I wish that she would do that it would be good for all of us.

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Look, we all want to solve.

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Why? If you're listening tonight, and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard. What the numbers were. Look.

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Governor, do you care to respond to any of those specific allegations, including that the vice president is quote, letting in fentanyl and using kids as drug mules, among other things. Regarding children the drug mule is not true. But I will say about this, about the fendall, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis. And the good news on this is.

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The last twelve months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history. 30% decrease in Ohio. But there's still more work to do. But let's. Go back to this on immigration. Kamala Harris was the attorney general of the largest state and a border state in California. She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions, but.

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Get there. 1500 new border agents.

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The adjudications on this. Just what America wants. But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this. Donald Trump said no, told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.

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For it. Less than 2% of that wall got built, and Mexico didn't pay a dime. But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator.

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Dehumanizing people and telling him what he was going to do as far as a deportation plan. At one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable. So that's where we're at. Pass the bill, she'll sign it, governor. Your time is up, senator. The question was, will you separate parents from their children, even if their.

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Thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed bordersar was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. This problem is leading to massive problems. In the United States of America, parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed it's got to stop. And it will. When?

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Let me just ask you the question first. The governor has made the point.

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And I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.

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A disgraced him. And I actually think I agree with you. I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does. Senator, your time is up. Governor, you have 1 minute to respond. Yeah, well, it is law enforcement that asked for the bill. They help craft it. They're the ones that supported it. That's because they know we need to do this. Look, this issue of continuing.

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For an asylum claim to be done. This bill gets it done in 90 days. Then you start. To make a difference in this, and you start to adhere to what we know, american principles. I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25 40 talks about to the least. Amongst us. You do unto me. I think that's true of most Americans. They simply want order to it. This.

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Thank you, governor. And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of haitian migrants who have legal status.

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Temporary, protected.

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Thank you, senator. We have so much to get to. Morgan. I think it's important.

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In the book since 1990. Thank you, gentlemen.

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Has not been on the books.

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It's something that.

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Nora thank you, Margaret. The economy is a top concern for voters. Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan. So let's talk about the specifics, Governor walls. Vice President Harris unveiled. A plan that includes billions in tax credits for manufacturing, housing and a renewed child tax credit. The Wharton school says your proposals.

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Happened? There was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever. Now he's proposing.

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Then she ought to do them now. Not one asking for promotion, but in the job. The american people gave her three and a half years ago. And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans. Now, Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record. A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have.

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In 2017, and you saw an american economic boom unlike we've seen in a generation in this country. That is a record that I'm proud to run on, and we're going to get back to that common sense wisdom so that you can afford to live. The american dream again. I know a lot of you are struggling. I know a lot of you are worried. About paying the bills. It's going to stop when Donald Trump.

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That most of us want to solve this, and that is the United States Congress. That's the border patrol agents. That's the chamber of Commerce. That's most Americans out here. That's why we had the fairest and the toughest, Bill.

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On immigration that this nation seen. It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford. I know he's super conservative, but he's a man of principal, wants to get it done. Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation, but border patrols say this is what we need in here. These are the experts and the chamber of Commerce and the Wall street. Journal said, pass this thing. Kamali Harris helped.

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Detection for drugs, DOJ money to speed up.

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What would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things? And they need to be done by the legislature. You can't just do this through the executive branch. So look. We have the options to do this. Donald Trump had four years. He had four years to do this. And he promised you America, how easy it would be. I'll build you a big. Beautiful wall and Mexico will pay.

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Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test for three years, Kamala. Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. She did exactly that. We had a record number of illegal crossings. We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country, and now that she's running for president or a few months before. She says that somehow she got.

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Donald Trump is president.

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Solve this. Do you disagree?

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You've got schools that are overwhelmed, you've got hospitals that are overwhelmed, you have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the american citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border. It is.

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Bill does it. It's funded. It's supported by the people who do it and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

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Ballooning the deficit. I'll give you two minutes. Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim waltz this evening. And you just heard it in the answer. A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good. Here's what you won't hear is that Kamala Harris has already done it because she's been the vice president for three and a half years. She had the.

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Opportunity to enact all of these great policies and what she's actually done instead.

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Delivered rising take home pay for american workers. Now, Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts. But if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's, tax cuts, even from previous republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take home pay to middle class and working class Americans. It was passed.

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Kids are us citizens. You have 1 minute, Margaret. My point is that we already have massive child. Separation thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. And I didn't accuse Kamala. Harris of inviting drug mules. I said that she enabled the mexican drug cartels to operate. Freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.

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Religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation. The only.

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Your time is up, governor.

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What about RCBS News polling, which does show that a majority of Americans, more than 50%, support mass deportations. Look, we fix this issue with a bill that is necessary, but the issue on. This is. This is what happens when you don't want to solve it, you demonize. It, and we saw this.

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And Senator vans. And it surprises me on this, talking about and saying I will create stories to bring attention to this that vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield. The republican governor said it's not true. Don't do it. There's consequences for this. There's consequences. We could come together. Sender. Langford. Did it, we could.

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A talking point. And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and. Villainize other human beings.

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Governor. Your time is up, senator. I'll give you 1 minute, but.

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So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action,

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To be empowered to do their job. Of course, additional resources would help, but most of this is about the president and the Vice president empowering our law enforcement to say, if you try to come across the border illegally. You've got to stay in Mexico. You've got to go back through proper channels. Now, Governor Walts brought up the community of Springfield and he's. Very worried about the things that I.

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Kamala Harrison. I do believe in the middle class because that's where we come from. We both grew up in that we understand. So those of you out there listening tonight, you're. Hearing a lot of stuff back and forth, and it's good, it's healthy. That's what this is supposed to happen. You should be listening. How is this going to. Impact me. The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue. But one thing is.

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There's 3 million new houses proposed under this plan.

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With down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house. A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere. It's foundational to where you're at and then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs, or other things, that there's fairness in that. Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing. But it costs $5 to make insulin. They were charging 800.

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The right thing for families and then getting businesses off the ground. The laws, it scans right now. Is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that to 50,000. Now, this is a philosophical difference between us. Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this. He kept it. He took folks in Mara Lago, he said, your richest helm and give you a tax cut. He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class. What.

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Works best. More people are participating in it, and folks have the things that they need. Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that. But similarly, the Wharton school has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by 5.8 trillion. My question is the same for you. How do you pay for all that without.

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Is drive the cost of food higher by 25%, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60% open the american southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans. If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems.

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Come together and solve this. If we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it an issue. And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement to escort kindergartners to school. I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald. Trump and not working together to find a solution, it becomes.

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That Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes that you would actually want to implement. You have 1 minute. Morgan. First of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just empowering law enforcement to do their job. I've been to the southern border more than our borders are. Kamala Harris has been and it's actually heartbreaking because the border patrol agents, they just want.

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've said in Springfield. Look in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country.

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To bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything on housing we could talk a little bit about Wall street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable. But it becomes a blame. Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate I. Agree. It should not take seven years.

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The rules were that you're going to fact check. And since you're fact checking, me. I think it's important to say what's actually going on. So there's. An application called the CVP one app where you can go on as an illegal migrant. Apply for asylum or apply for parole and be granted legal status at the wave of.

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A Kamala Harris open border wand that is not a person coming in applying for a green card and waiting for ten years.

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Of illegal immigration. Margaret. Thank you, senator, for describing the legal process.

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Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because your mics are cut. We have so much. We want to get to. Thank you for explaining the legal process.

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Will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion. How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit. Governor. I'll give you two minutes. Yeah. Thank you.

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Dollars before this law went into effect. As far as the housing goes, I've seen it. In Minnesota, 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4% it's working and then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. $6,000 tiled tax credit. We have one in Minnesota. Reduces childhood poverty by a third. We save money in the long run and we do.

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A 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in. Everyone agrees, including businesses. It would be destabilizing it. It would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession. Look, this is simple for you. Where are we going? Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share when you do. That our system.

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Phds, but they don't have common sense and they don't have wisdom because. Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take home pay in a generation in this country. 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world. So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense. I say look at the record, he.

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Brings back common sense to this country. Governor, do you want to respond to that? What has Kamal Harris done for the middle call. Yeah, well, Kamal Harris's day one was Donald Trump's. Failure on Covid that led to the collapse for our economy. We were already before Covid in a manufacturing recession. But 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the great depression. 9 million jobs closed on that. That was day one. Whether.

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It was the infrastructure actor. Other things we moved. Now, you made a question about experts, said this. I've made a note of this. Economists don't be trusted. Science can't. Be trusted. National security folks can't be trusted. Look, if you're going to be president.

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You don't have all the answers. Donald Trump believes he does. My pro tip of the day is this? If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. Minnesota, not Donald Trump. And the same thing goes with this. And I ask you out there, teachers nurses, truck drivers or whatever. How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year? And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal.

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In the last year as president. That's what's wrong with the system there's. A way around it. And he's bragged about that. We're just asking. For fairness in it. And that's all you want. You have a minute, governor? You say trust the experts. But those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we get cheaper goods. They lied about that. They said if.

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We shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere. It would make the middle class stronger. They were wrong about that. They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self reliant, less productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better. Off, and they were wrong about it. And for the first time,

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In a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore. We're bringing american manufacturing back. We're unleashing. American energy. We're going to make more of our own stuff, and this isn't just an economic issue. And I've got three beautiful little kids at home. Seven. Four and two. And I love them very much and I hope they're in bed, right. Now but.

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Look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children are manufactured by nations that hate us. This has to stop. And we're not going to stop. It by listening to experts. We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom. Which is what Donald Trump governed on. Senator, Governor Walsh, can you address that? I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy more.

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I'm a union guy on this. I'm not a guy who wanted to ship. Things overseas, but I understand that. Look, we produce soybeans and corn. We need to have fair trading partners. That's something that we believe in. I think the thing that most concerns me on this is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in american history. With China.

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So the rhetoric is good. Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement. With him on this. I watched it happen, too. I watched it to my communities and we talked. About that, but.

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We had people undercutting the right to collectively bargain. We had right to work states made it more difficult. We had companies that were willing to ship it over, and we saw people profit. Folks.

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That are venture capital, in some cases, putting money into companies that were overseas. We're in agreement that we bring those home. The issue is Donald Trump is talking about it. Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. May I respond to. That? Yes.

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So what Tim waltz is doing. Honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here because you've got to play whack a mole. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take home pay, which, of course, he did. You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which, of course, he did, and then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which.

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Can you explain that discrepancy? Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't. Get at the top of this. Look.

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And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills. That we got done working on veterans benefits, and then the people of Minnesota were able to elect me to governor twice. So, look, my commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people to make sure that I get this right. I will say more. Than anything many times.

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Wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about Covid. And I guarantee you he wouldn't. Start a trade war that he ends up losing. So this is about trying to understand the world. It's about trying to do the best you can for your community, and then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.

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That's what I've said.

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So.

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I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protest went in and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.

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Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparage Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.

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I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump. I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be Dennis onus fabrications of his record. But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the american people rising wages, rising take home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans.

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Margaret, because.

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This issue is what's on everyone's mind.

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In Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. She has a complication, a tear in the membrane. She needs to go in. The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor, and that would have been an abortion. But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.

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Maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world. This is about healthcare in Minnesota, we are ranked first in healthcare for a reason. We trust women. We trust doctors. Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim? Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency.

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No.

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Certainly we won't. And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it, and I know a lot of Americans don't agree.

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And I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options and.

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A big country and it's diverse. And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia. Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona and the proper way to handle this as Messi's. Democracy sometimes is to let voters make these decisions, let the individual states make their abortion policy. And I think that's what makes the most sense.

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That we're pro children, but we don't like this. Or you guys are pro. Abortion. That's not the case at all.

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We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices. And we're going and Kamala Harris is making the case to make options for children more affordable. A $6,000 child tax credit. But we're not going to base out on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. Senator, they may respond to that. First of all, governor, I agree with you. Amber Thurman should still be.

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Is written. Look, I've given.

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There's a lot to discuss. We have to move on, and we're going to. Be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment.

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And in some cases, the answer is going to be no. And the details really matter here. Of course. For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous. But look, I want to. Just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade. And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school.

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With such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school. And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence. And, of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff, and we do have to do better. And I think that Governor Walts and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this. The question is just.

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Here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence. The gross majority, close to 90%. And some of the statistics I've seen of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms. And while we're on that topic, we know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns.

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Senator Tim first of all, I didn't know that your 17 year old witness is shooting and I'm sorry about that, and I appreciate. Christ have mercy. It is awful, and I. Appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the frankly weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem.

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Burden to put on american families. We're the only country that does it. I think we could do a heck of a lot better.

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Appreciate that. So if you notice, what Governor Walsh just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts. And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the no that's a general.

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's affordable again. We just got to get back to common sense, economic principles. I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then. Senator. Governor, please. Thank you, Margaret. We have a lot to get. To ahead, gentlemen, on many topics. But right now I want to talk about personal qualifications. The vice president is often.

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My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or it was being a good member of Congress. Those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.

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Is not just a high class debating society. It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems. It's a forum to govern. So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs, for example, where I think that we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had been a little bit better. About how they govern the country they were so obsessed with.

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Impeaching Donald Trump. They couldn't actually govern. And I want to talk about this. Tariff issue in particular.

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Tim just accused this of being a national sales tax. Look, the one thing and.

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You're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected american manufacturing jobs. And it's the one issue, the most pro worker part of the Biden administration. It's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record. Think about this if you're trying to employ slave laborer.

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Laborers in China at $3 a day.

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Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the 9th month.

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Amanda Zawarski would disagree with you on it's a beautiful thing, a young bride.

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Roe versus wade. We made sure that we put women in ChArGe of their health care, but look. This is not where. If you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.

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With everything that I've ever said on this topic.

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And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable. Is that my party? We've got to do so much better of a job at earning the american people's trust back. On this issue where they frankly just don't trust us. And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are end.

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Front just to give women more options. Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically that we have.

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That wasn't true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's. Diverse States. There's a young woman named Amber Thurman. She happened to be. In Georgia, a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina.

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And that's what real leadership is. Governor, your response? I'm going to respond on the pro abortion piece of that. No, we're not. We're pro women. We're. Pro freedom to make your own choice. We know what the implications are to not be that. Women having miscarriages, women not getting the care, physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted.

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Into law. The statute that you signed into law. It says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives, the doctor is under no obligation to provide life saving care. To a baby who survives a botched late term abortion. That is, I think, whether pro choice or pronoun that is fundament.

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Fundamentally barbaric, and that's why I use that word. Nor is because some of what we've seen. Do you want to force catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will. Because Kamala Harris is supported suing catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience. We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience and make the country more pro baby and pro family. But please.

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This advice on a lot of things that getting involved, getting a gift that's been misread and it was fact checked at the last debate. But the point on this is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved. I use this line on this. Just mind your own business on this. Things work best when Roe versus Wade. Was in place.

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They get health care, so.

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The hiding behind. We're going to do all these other things when you're not. Proposing them in your budget. Kamal Harris is proposing them. She's proposing all those things to. Make life easier for families. I asked a specific question, governor. You gave me a slogan as a result. It's not the case. It's not true. That's not what the law says, so they fact checked it with President Trump.

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Parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to ten years. In prison. Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings? I'll give you two minutes. Yeah, well, nor on that particular case. I don't know the full details, but. I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions. I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes.

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In our schools. We have to make the doors lock better. We have to make the doors stronger. We've got to make the windows stronger, and, of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys. It just doesn't fit with recent experience. So we've. Got to make our school safer, and I think we've got to have some common sense bipartisan.

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Solutions for how to do that. Governor, you have two minutes. Well, I think all the parents watching tonight. This is your biggest nightmare. Look, I got a 17 year old.

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They don't have this happen, even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.

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There are reasonable things that we can.

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Do to make a difference.

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President Trump recently said.

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As much as childcare is talked about as being expensive.

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Has made gas, groceries and housing unaffordable fair american citizens. I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt so that she could put food on the table in our household. I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford. We can do so much better. To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that.

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The last voice the president hears before.

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But Minnesota Public Radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

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I grew up in small rural Nebraska, town of 400. Town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the street lights come on. And I'm proud of that service. I joined the national Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I use the GI bill to become a teacher passionate about it. A young teacher.

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My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China. 35 years ago be able to do that? I came back home.

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And then started a program.

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Look, I will be the first to tell you I have poured my heart into my community. I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect, and I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that. Those same people elected me to Congress for twelve years.

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20 Margaret I've been extremely consistent that I think they were all a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round if Congress was doing its job. I strongly believe, and I've been a United States senator, that congress.

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Is absolutely fine. Yes or no? Is that what you support? I'll give you two minutes. That's not what the bill says, but look.

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Your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body.

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Is determined on geography.

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There's a very real chance.

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Had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.

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That's why the restoration of Roe versus Wade. When you listen to Vice President Harris talk, about this subject. And you hear me talk about it. You hear us talking exactly the same, Donald. Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. I agree with a lot of what Zender van said about what's happening. His running mate, though, does not and that's the problem. Governor, your time is up. Senator, let me ask you about that.

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Have you changed your position? Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban. I did. During when I was running for Senate in 2022. Talk about setting some minimum national standard for example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in place in this country at the federal level. I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that. Or at least I hope. Not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro ab.

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Abortion stance. But, Nora, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum in 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position. And I think that what I learned from that, Nora, is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust so many young women would love to have. Families, so.

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Many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships, and we have got to earn people's trust back. And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing pro family policies. Making child care more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've got to do a better job at that.

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For providing that care. And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options. Minnesota is a state, one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates. We understand that, too. We know that the options need to be available, and we make that true. We also make it we're a top three state for the best place to raise children. But these two things to try and say.

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Alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive, and I certainly wish that she was.

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And maybe.

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You're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me, but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed.

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Yes, governor, please respond. Look, this is one where there's always something there. This is a very simple proposition. These are women's decisions to make about their healthcare decisions and the physicians who know best when they need to do this, trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point. That's not it at all. What was I? Wrong. Governor, please tell me. What was that? That is not the way the law.

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Making consequential decisions. We want to ask you about your leadership qualities, governor walls. You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tianaman Square protest in the spring of 1989.

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To take young people there. We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers and we would go back and forth to China. The issue for that was to try and learn. Now, look, my community knows who I am. They saw where I was at.

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I will talk a lot. I will get caught up in the rhetoric, but being there, the impact it made the difference it made in my life. I learned a lot about China. I hear the critiques of this, I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us, I guarantee you he.

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Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy? All I said on this was I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so.

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Thank you, governor. Senator Vance, in 2016, you called your running mate, Donald Trump, unfit for the nation's. Highest office and you said he could be America's Hitler. I know you've. Said you've been asked many times, and you've said you regret those comments. And explained, you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020. But the.

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Here now is running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align. With his if you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear. And not just the advice he wants to hear. You have two minutes. Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open and sometimes, of course,

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A secure southern border. A lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on. And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the american people about it. It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the american people where I come down. On the issues. And what change now, you pointed out to messages from 2000 and.

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You're going to do that and undercut the wages of american workers unless our country stands up for itself and says, you're not accessing our markets unless you're. Paying middle class Americans a fair wage. Senator, your time is up, Nora. Thank you. Now to the issue of reproductive rights. Governor Wallace, after Roe versus Wade was overturned,

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You signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation. When it comes to abortion. Former president.

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Donald Trump put this all into motion. He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe versus wait 52 years of personal autonomy. And then he tells us oh, we send it to the states. It's a beautiful thing.

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Or in Kentucky. Hadley Duvall, a twelve year old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather. Those are horrific. Now, when God asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs, don't. Make a right. There is no right in this. So in Minnesota, what we did was. Restore.

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Their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies. It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments. For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility. Treatments are why I have a child. That's nobody else's business but those.

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Things are being proposed. And the catch all on this is, well, the states will decide what's. Right for Texas, might not be right for Washington. That's not how this works. This is basic human right. We have seen.

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One of them is actually very dear to me, and I know she's watching tonight, and. I love you. And she told me something a couple of years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.

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Endeavoring to do. I want us, as a republican party, to be pro family in the fullest. Sense of the word. I want us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make it. Easier for moms to afford to have babies. I want it to make it easier for young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to raise that family. And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy.

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In a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country. Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions? Yeah, well, the question got asked in, Donald Trump made the accusation.

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To try and get her care.

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Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that?

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He mentioned, I think, referring to a national ban. In the past, you have supported a federal ban. On abortion after 15 weeks. In fact, you said, if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United states the most barbaric pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire world. My question is, why?

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When we do a restoration of row that works best, that doesn't preclude us. From increasing bonding for children. It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota. They get meals, they get early childhood education.

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Welcome back to the CBS News vice presidential debate. We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic. The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms, senator. Vance, you oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun viole.

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Violence. You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semiautomatic rifles, including. AR 15s. So let me ask you. Earlier this year, for the first time, the.

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How do we actually do it now?

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Run by the mexican drug cartels. So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country. Is higher today than it was three and a half years ago. But what do we do about the schools. What do we do to protect our kids? And I think the answer is.

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And I say this not loving the answer because I don't want my kids to go. To school.

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In a school that feels unsafe or were there visible signs of security. But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security.

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And he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball. Those things don't leave you. As a member of congress.

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I sat in my office surrounded by dozens of the San Diego parents, and they were looking at my seven year old picture on the wall. Their seven year old were dead and they were asking us to do something. And, look, I'm a hunter. I own firearms. The vice president is. We understand that the Second amendment is there, but our first responsibilities to our kids to figure this.

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And Finland is okay, first of all.

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Earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem.

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Making sure folks have healthcare and all that. But I want to be very careful. This idea of stigmatizing mental health. Just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent. And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat sometimes it just is the guns. It's just the guns. And there are things that you can do about it. But I do think that this is one, and I think.

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And that contributes to the high housing prices. Governor walls the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first time home buyers and a $10,000 tax credit.

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One of the things, as I said, this program that the vice president.

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I can tell all of you out there.

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One of the certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a veteran's home loan. The big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment.

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Breaks and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.

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Where are you going? To build all the new homes you're promising. And what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief. You have two minutes. Well, first of all, Tim, just. Said something that I agree with. We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices. But we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this. Country.

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Which does drive up cost him.

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Of ideas. Now, some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent, and some of them I disagree with. But the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer. To politics. She is the sitting vice president. If she wants to enact all of these policies. To make housing more affordable, I invite her to use the office that the american people already gave. Her.

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Drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration, and higher housing prices. Now of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices. It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris. Look, we are a country of builders. We're a country of doers. We're a country of explorers, but we increasingly have.

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What are the federal regulations? I deal with this as a governor. You can very quickly reply I'm sorry. I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state. I don't. Know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them. I think you want to be able to get out of your house.

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Care policies. He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time, governor. All right. Here's where being an old guy gives you some history. I was there at the creation. Of the aca. And the reason it was so important is I come from a major healthcare state, home of the Mayo clinic, home to medical alley three m.

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Medtronic. All of those. We understand health care. It's why we're ranked. First on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care. And so what I know is under Kamala Harris. More people are covered than they have before. Those of you listening, this is critical. To you. Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you. Go back and remember this. He ran.

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McCain to save that bill. Now fast forward. What that means to you is you lose your preexisting conditions. If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad. If you're a woman. Probably not. Broke your foot during football, might kick you out. Your kids. Get kicked out when they're 26. Kamala Harri negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare, we have ten.

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Drugs that will come online, the most common ones that will be there. But look, this issue and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that. But what senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept, because what he explained is pre Obamacare and I'll make this as simple.

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Out in Minnesota, we enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background checks, and we can start to get data. But here's the problem. If we really want to solve this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence. And this idea that we should just live with it.

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Here's what I do. Think that this is a good start to the conversation.

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I 100% believe that senator Vance hates it when these kids. It's abhorrent. And it breaks your heart. I agree with that. But that's not far enough. When we know, there are things that work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some finnish schools.

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In a lot of our big cities, and this is why we have to empower law enforcement. To arrest the bad guys, put them away and take gun offenders off the streets. I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools. We've got to talk about more security, senator. Thank you, governor. You previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but is only later in your political career did.

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And so we have, and we should look at all of the issues.

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Is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching. This is something we're doing in Minnesota. From that lead, we in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing. It starts to make it easier. We cut some of the red tape. Local folks. Look, we can't do it at the federal level. The local folks, make it easier to build those homes and then that down payment assistance.

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Those are things that make it there. Now, look, you're going to pay it back and. You're going to pay your mortgage. Those are things that we know in the long run. The appreciated value.

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25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership. Now, Tim just mentioned a bunch.

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Not sit around and campaign and do nothing while Americans find the american dream of homeownership. Completely unaffordable. Now, you asked Margaret what would immediately change the equation for american citizens. If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill. One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from.

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Illegal immigration is. Think about it. If a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel, then the lumber he's delivering to the job site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive. If we open up american energy, you will get immediate pricing release.

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Where a governor. We will get to you in a moment. But, Senator, where are you going to? Seize the federal lands. Can you clarify? Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything. They're not being used for. National park. They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot. Of housing. And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

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We have a lot of land that could be used. We have a lot of Americans that need homes. We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the american citizens who deserve to be here. Senator. Your time is up, governor. I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in, of course.

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I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this, and I worry about this. As someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands. Look, Minnesota, we protect these things. We've got about 20% of the world's fresh water these lands protect. They're there for a reason. They belong to all of us. But again, this is when. You view housing and you view these things as commodities. There's.

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Governor, your time is. Your time is up. But, senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify, there are many contributing factors to high housing costs. What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem. Well, there's a federal reserve study that we're happy to share. After the debate, we'll put it up on social media. Actually, that really.

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For not doing.

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Everything exactly as Kabulah Harris says they have to do. And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build. Homes. I actually agree with Tim waltz. We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity. But the thing that is most turn housing into a commodity is giving it a way to millions upon millions of people who have no legal.

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Right to be here.

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In a fire. I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things. So which are the regulations? Because the vice president is not responsible for those Congress rights those governor. Thank you, gentlemen.

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Remark gets very simple. Common sense. I think it's Tim Wall's nose from twelve. Years in Congress. You're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate. Stage. It would bore everybody to tears, and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation. Now, when Donald Trump was actually president and again. He has a record to be proud of. Prescription drug.

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Drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time. Utter Kamala Harris's. Leadership. Prescription drugs are up about 7% under Donald Trump's entire four years. They were up about one and a half percent. He introduced pricing, transparency. Think about health care. You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs. That.

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Price transparency will actually give american consumers a little bit more choice and will also drive down costs. And we talked about the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about. Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill. It's not just a plan.

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You're going to get kicked out of it. That's why the system didn't. Work. Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA, governor. Thank you, senator. You have not yet explained how you would protect people with preexisting conditions or laid out that plan. Look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with preexisting. Conditions. We want to keep.

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It's not infringing on your second amendment and the idea to have some of these weapons out there. It just doesn't make any sense. Kamala Harris, as an attorney. General worked on this issue. She knows that it's there. No one's trying to. Scaremonger and say, we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out. There. Do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?

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Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills. They're being kids. We owe it. To them to get a fix. These are things that shouldn't be that difficult. You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference. We have to. If you're listening. Tonight. This breaks your heart.

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We have way higher rates of mental health abuse or mental health.

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Substance abuse. We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety. We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it. Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids. It doesn't.

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You change your position? Why? Yeah. I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents. I've become friends with school shooters. I've seen it. Look, the NRA. I was NRA. Guy for a long time. They used to teach gun safety. I'm of an age. Where my shotgun was in my car so I could fascinate after football practice. That's? Not where we live today.

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And several things I want to mention on this is talking about cities and where it's at the number one where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides. And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves.

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I guess we agreed not to fact check. I'll check it. That. Look. Crossings are down. Compared to when Donald Trump left office, but.

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It's again blaming and not trying to find the solution. I was going to ask on this question. Are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land? And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land. Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands I know in the western part of the countries we do there's. Not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example. So the issue is.

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A chance to make money here. Let's take this federal land and let's sell. It to people for that. I think there's better ways to do this. We've seen it in Minnesota. We're able to refurbish some of these houses. We're able to make some investments that gets people in, and I'm still on the fact on this economist you send our events. You said you don't like the economist, which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost.

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A federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail.

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He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States. And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously. Until Donald Trump came along. I think it's an important point about President Trump, of course. You don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done. But when Obamac.

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Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and health care costs. Donald Trump could have destroyed the program. Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care. It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more. That we can do. But I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better health.

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This is a healthy conversation. I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work. Protect second amendment, protect our children. That's our priority. Gentlemen. Thank you, Margaret. Thank you. Nora let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent. There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States.

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They also promise to build 3 million new homes. Where are you building these homes and won't? Handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher. No, it's not handing. Out. First, let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this. The problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.

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It can be bought up. It can be shifted. It can be moved around. Those are not folks. Living in those houses. Those of you listening tonight, that house, a big deal I bought and owned. One house in my life. My mom still lives in the house where I was, and when I think of a house. I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass, where you go with your family. We need to make it more affordable and.

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The generational wealth that's created from it. And I will give Minneapolis an example. Minneapolis? Is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates. We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in and we're implementing a state program to make sure we get some of that down payment assistance, we get it back. From people. Because here's what we know, people.

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With stable housing end up with stable jobs. People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school. All of those things, in the long run, end up saving our money. And that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground. In, but we can't blame.

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Immigrants for the only reason that's not the case. That's happening in many cities. The fact of the matter is.

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That we don't have enough naturally affording affordable housing. But we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it. Create that. Create that base. Governor, your time is up. Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax.

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Relief for american citizens, not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods too.

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Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there. Do you want to answer?

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We have a lot to get through. You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell. But, Nora, thank you. One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of healthcare, senator. Vance at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care act in response, he said, I have conc.

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Concepts of a plan. Since then, senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance. Can you explain how that would work? And can you guarantee that Americans with preexisting conditions won't pay more. I'll give you two minutes.

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Well, of course we're going to cover Americans with preexisting conditions. In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten health care. I believe members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time. Switched off a Medicaid onto private insurance. For the first time under Donald Trump's leadership. And I think that a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan rem.

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On the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare on day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA. He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA but lost at the Supreme Court, and he would have repealed the ACA. Had it not been for the courage of John m.

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As possible, because I have done this for a long time. What they're saying is if your healthy, why should you be paying more? So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure. Because guess what happens? You pay your premium, it's not much. They're figured they're not going to have to pay out to you. But those of you a little older, gray, got cancer.

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A way that preserved people's access to coverage who had preexisting conditions, but again.

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Those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit. Better now. What Governor Walsh just said is actually not true. A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges. Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did so in.

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Something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald Trump's becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue. But in reality, Donald Trump was president. Inflation was low, take home pay was higher, and he saved the very program from a democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed.

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Absent his leadership, he did his job, which is governed in a bipartisan way, and get results. Not just complain about problems, but actually solve them. Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care act go up under the Trump administration.

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It's higher now than we've seen it go up. Look, people are using it. The system works and.

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The question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this. And Republicans fought tooth and nail, saying, well, Americans should be free to do this. Well, then what? Do you think the individual mandate is a good idea?

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I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover and that's. The only way insurance works. When it doesn't, it collapses. You are asking pre Aca? Where we get people out. Look, people know that they need to be on health care.

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People expect it to be there. And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way.

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When we incentivize people to be in the market, when we help people who might not be able to afford it. Get there and we make sure then when you get sick and old. It's there for you. Because I heard people say, well.

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I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever. Good luck buying health care once you get past 70. So, look, the ACA works. We can continue to do better. Kamala Harris. Did that. The way she made everything better was negotiating those ten drugs on Medicare for the first time in american history. Thank you, Margaret.

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I apologize. We're out of time. We have a number of subjects to discuss. Margaret, let's talk about families in America.

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There is a childcare crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents. Governor walls, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one. Priority for you.

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How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? You have two minutes.

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Yeah, well, that's negotiable. And that's what Congress worked. But here's. What the deal is. Americans setting out there right now. You may work for a big company. We're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies. Kamala Harris knows that are in California.

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Those companies provide paid family medical leave. One is I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy. We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave. You have a child?

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You and I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time. What we know is that gets the child off. To a better start. The family works better. We stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that. So Kamala Harris has made it a priority. We implemented in Minnesota, and we see growth. That's how you become.

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A pro business state, but the negotiations on it. And here's the issue they'll big companies are able to offer it. Those of you out there who don't have it. Just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick. We know what happens. You end up staying home. In some places, that means no paycheck, because you've got no protection on that. This is.

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The case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us, he's willing to give.

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Those tax breaks to the wealthiest, he's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever. What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us, and so a paid family medical leave program. And I will tell you, go to the families or go. To the businesses and ask them as far as childcare on this, you have to take it. At both the supply.

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And the demand side. You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take. Either our children or our parents to get paid the least amount of money, and we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. We were able to do it in Minnesota, and I'm still telling you this. We were listed as the best state we're still in. Crisis.

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On this. A federal program. A paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce. Enhance our families and make it easier to have the children that you want. Governor, your time is up, senator, do you support a national paid leave program? And if so, for how long? Should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are.

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Home taking care of their newborn. You have two minutes. Well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue, and I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue. Look, I speak from this. Very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very.

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Brilliant corporate litigator, and I'm so proud of her, but being a working mom. Even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is.

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Extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women.

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In how we deliver family care and how we promote childcare because, look, it is unacceptable and of course. Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight. Weeks. And one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options. Like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids. That is an incredible.

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I think it makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want a lot. Of young women would like to go back to work immediately. Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids. Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. We should have a family care model that makes choice possible. And I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris's approach. I mean, look, if you.

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Look at the federal programs that we have, the support paid family leave right now, the community development block grant. There's another block grant program that spends a lot of money from the federal government.

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These programs only go to one kind of childcare model. Let's say you'd like your church. Maybe to help you out with childcare. Maybe you live in a rural area. Or an urban area, and you'd like to get together with families in your neighborhood to provide childcare in the way that makes the most sense. You don't get access to any of these federal money.

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We want to promote choice.

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It's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be. Taking in.

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Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described. You have 1 minute. What President Trump said. Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here. A little bit is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers.

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Cut taxes for american workers.

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And american families cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America but penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas. That's the heart of the economic proposal. And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue. With higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave. Childcare options.

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Talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation after the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results. Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other republican presidents looked at the evidence.

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Joe Biden became the president, Donald Trump left the White House. And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris Biden administration. I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately, it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walts want to talk about. It is the threat of censorship.

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It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics. It's big technology. Companies silencing their fellow citizens. And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans. She'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation I think that.

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Shaking hands when we lose being honest about it. But to deny what happened on January 6, the first time in american history.

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Margaret.

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Senator vance, did you want to respond to that? Yeah. Well, look, tim, first of all,

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It's really rich for democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years. In this country. We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election and of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win, but if Tim Walsh is the next vice president. He'll.

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Have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever. He wants it. But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protest to the results of elections. Hillary Clinton in 2016 said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin. Because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ad.

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Ads. This has been going on for a long time, and if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election. I'm on board. But if we want to. Say, as Tim Walts is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had.

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I don't buy that.

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Governor January 6 was not Facebook ads. And I think of revisionist history on this look.

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I don't understand how we got to this point, but the issue was that happened, Donald Trump can do it. And all of us say there's no place for this.

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I'm going to thank Senator Vans. I think this is the conversation they want to hear. And I think there's a lot of agreement. This is one that we are miles apart. On this was a threat to our democracy in a way that we had not seen, and it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say he is still saying he didn't. Lose the election, I would just say, did he?

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A damning non answer. It's a damning non answer for you to not talk. About censorship, obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020. We've talked about it. I'm happy to talk about it further, but you guys attack us for not. Believing in democracy, the most sacred right under the United States. Democracy is the first Amendment. You yourself have said.

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There's no first amendment right to misinformation. Kamala Harris wants to.

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Yeah, well, I don't run Facebook. What I do know is I see a candidate out. There who refused. And now again. And this. I'm pretty shocked by this. He lost the election. This is not a debate.

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What I'm concerned about is where is the firewall with Donald Trump?

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He could do anything, including.

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Senator. Thank you. You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family, the Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month. So I want to get your thoughts on this.

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That are viable and workable for a lot of american families.

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Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage? Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the child care shortages. We just don't have enough resources going in to the multiple people who could be providing family care options, and we're going to have to, unfortunately, look we're going to have to spend more money. We're going to have to induce.

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Is that realistic? Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you.

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And so I think the issue here is if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not when I go to businesses. Sure, they'll talk about taxes sometime, but. They will lead with childcare and they will lead with housing, because we know the problems, especially in a state like Minnesota. We need more workers because our economy is growing, but we need the workforce. Governors. Thank you. We need to move on, Nora. Let's.

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And said there was no widespread fraud. The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6. Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified.

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Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results?

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Even if every governor certifies the results. I'll give you two minutes. Well, Nora. First of all, I think that we're focused on the future. We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies. Make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. But I want to answer your question because you did ask it. Look, what President Trump has said is that.

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There were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square. And that's all I've said. And that's all that Donald Trump has said. Remember, he said that on January 6, the protesters ought to protest peacefully. And on January the 20th, what happened?

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Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things, and I think I might. Have with the senator.

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In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St. Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence, and there may be casualties. The only person there was my son and his dog, who has rushed out crying by state police.

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Hang Mike Pence. Mike Pence made the right decision. So, senator, it was adjudicated. Over and over and over. I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said, as a football coach. Sometimes you really want to win, but the democracy is bigger than winning an election. You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win that's. What.

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A president's words matter. People hear that.

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So I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box.

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That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power. And here we are, four years later in the same boat. I will tell you this, that when this is over. We need to shake hands this election. And the winner needs to be the winner. This has got to stop. It's tearing our country apart.

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It has massive repercussions. This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing?

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I just think for everyone tonight.

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Be government and big tech to silence people from speaking their minds. That is a threat to democracy. That will long outlive this present political moment. I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship. Let's persuade one another. Let's argue about ideas and then let's. Come together afterwards. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater. That's the test.

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That's the supreme court test, Tim. Fire in a crowded theater? You guys wanted to kick. People off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't. The governor does have the floor.

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Fire in a crowded theater that is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American. Senator, the governor does have the floor for 1 minute to respond to you.

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It's not anything anywhere other than.

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In Donald Trump's world because look.

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And then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of american workers. It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.

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There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.

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That issue and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting.

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Was at stake here. Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that.

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Threatening to kill someone, threatening to do something. That's not. That's not censorship. Censorship? Is book banning. We've seen that. We've seen that brought up.

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Lose the 2020 election, Tim, I'm focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris Censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 Covid situation that is.

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Where is the firewall? If he knows.

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Taking an election and his vice president is not going to stand to it. That's what we're asking you, America, will you stand up? Will you keep your oath of office even? If the president doesn't, and I think Kamala Harris would agree, she wouldn't. Have picked me if she didn't think I would do that. Because, of course, that's. What we would do. So, America, I think you've got a really clear.

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We will be right back with both of our candidates. The CBS News vice presidential debate continues.

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More people to want to provide childcare options for american families because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service. Thank you, senator. Governor walls, your ticket also has some childcare tax credit proposals.

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Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six, as your campaign has promised.

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This is the biggest issue everybody listening tonight knows. I mean, I'm sure they were shocked. To hear. It's not that expensive. And let's be clear whether it's 5000 or 6000. That plays you about three or four months. Let's be clear of where we're at on this, it's because we got out of an imbalance on this. We thought we were going to get by not paying people. I don't think center events are and I are that far apart. I'm not opposed to what he.

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's talking about on options. We've done scholarships, types of things I think we need. To be open to making the case. But the issue here is. The question you asked is you're. Not going to pay for it. With these tariffs, that's just adding another 4000. On the family and taking less. So not only do they not get the money to pay for that they're $4,000 in the hole. That's Wharton school. That's. His alma mater.

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The last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors. That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.

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Is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years. In the last 40 years now I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue collar Democrats to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr. And Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the democratic coalition. And of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.

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We don't have to agree on every issue, but we're united behind the basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences, we ought to argue about them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans. Kamala Harris is engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during Covid. She's done it over a number of other issues. And that to me.

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Is a much bigger threat to democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should peacefully protest on January 6, governor.

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Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can. Be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up. He was very clear. I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't. 140 police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day, some with the american flag. Several later died. And it wasn't just in there.

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Imprisoning.

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Your political opponents already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this and a president's words matter.

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When Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election. That's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.

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Choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump. Governor, your time is up. Thank you, gentlemen.